To keep things fair here are discussions I have had with entrants:irivi: be sure not to put any spaces in the codes
entrant: Im sorry, this is givverish
entrant: xD
entrant: Wait so
irivi: i would suggest copy/pasting them direct
entrant: the code is one string
irivi: yes 2 sections, one string per section
entrant: or are the sections seperate
entrant: Lets say I unscramble the first
entrant: no word is mixed up with section 2
entrant: correct?
irivi: yea, but you are already proceeding down the wrong path, best to analyze the hint
entrant: i know
entrant: Im gonna analyze the hint first
irivi: cool, yes section one and section two describe how to solve each other, but there is no direct interaction of the letters in section one with the letters of section two
irivi: *they describe how to solve each other to arrive at the answer once they have been decoded*
entrant: Sigh
entrant: you're already giving me mindcramps
entrant: The reply from the pope was, "A long time ago it was 6 B.C. Do not fret over i and j, nor U and V as you can see, they are each their own. All that matters is that N=1. It may be wise to occasionally ignore the 13th word in a sentence. If you ever happen upon this number, '9304121' remember there are actually two zeros between three and four. This of course is to distinguish between a rectangle and a square."
entrant: i j and U V are useless
entrant: I assume
irivi: they will be important once you reach the correct stage of decoding
entrant: Can I ask for a clarification?
entrant: I assume there are multiple parts in the hint
entrant: However, are the parts of the hints needed in order
entrant: FOr instance if i needed a cipher key, would that kep show up first, if the cipher key is needed first
irivi: the hints are of various orders
irivi: if a cipher key is needed it can be found within the hint, but not necessarily in the order you need it
entrant2: So if I am correct in thinking these letters possibly represent numbers which then could be reordered????
irivi: possibly
irivi: ultimately yes, in the direct sense you asked the question, no
entrant3: i swear that if it was a encryption... then I'll...
irivi: yes, yes, if it is an encryption, surely the methods of decryption are revealed in the hint.
entrant3: y I'm thinking that all the talk before that f**king ABCD message started was useless *thinks*
irivi: Not every word of the hint is important, however, every paragraph of the hint is.
entrant2: I'm so uncertain But if I may ask is there a lot of mixing and matching like instead of one key but two
irivi: there are a minimum of 5 ciphers
entrant3: woah, *starting all over again*
entrant3:1st paragraph's hint is "Binary"
entrant3: *finding 2nd*
irivi: the first paragraphs hint may or may not be binary, read carefully :)
entrant4: well i'm kinda stuck with the last paragraph of the hint. i feel like "6.b.c." and "9304121" has some sort of significance, but i can't seem get a hand on it. i also feel like this paragraph is giving me the order of decoding..? can't solve the pope's letter as well.
entrant4:seem to*
irivi: yes 6bc and 9304121 do have significance. nothing in the hint reveals (or at least does not intentionally reveal) the order necessary to decode. The hints are to get you one the correct options of decoding, but are not meant to guide you through when to do what/which.
irivi: If you ever happen upon this number, '9304121' remember there are actually two zeros between three and four. This of course is to distinguish between a rectangle and a square.
irivi: if you have not yet happened upon that number it cannot help you
entrant 5: is this like cipher code or something
irivi: it does involve ciphers yes
entrant 6: do any of the cipherkeys actually directly translate to plaintext?
entrant 6: so far all the stuff i've decoded still looks like cipherkey
entrant 6: will i have to decipher each code more than once to achieve an plaintext answer?
entrant 6: a*
irivi: yes, there are many steps involved before you will reach anything intelligible
entrant 7: still thinking
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redacted ive tried different things relating to striping stuff to 3 and removing 13th words plus looking for the popes word in my workings im sure there is something else in the hint that im missing but i keep reading over it and cannot see it haha its very challenging
irivi: are you working on section 1 or section 2 first? or both?
entrant 7: i'm not even been working on the sections i've just been trying to work out what the pope has been saying
irivi: hmm, each sentence in the reply from the pope is either a reference to a cipher or a reference to a result you will see after ciphering
entrant 7: Thanks ill have a muse over that
irivi: sure, also, if you haven't run into actual words yet (which based on what you've told me i doubt you have) don't worry about this part: " It may be wise to occasionally ignore the 13th word in a sentence."
irivi: I'm going to add something to the hint section that might make things easier, but i'll tell you it now: "What are now letters must eventually become numbers before they can become words."
entrant 7: yeah that should help hopefully
irivi: yea i hope :) overall you should be looking for clues of what types of ciphers are used rather than trying to unscramble scrambled things, once have worked through the ciphers, it will be close to clear what to do
entrant 8: So far, I've made some progress but not too much yet. I found something that corresponds to the numbers 9304121 and they represent a letter
irivi: fancy, but wrong XD
entrant 8: OMG? Really? Tsss
irivi: that is the wrong path*
entrant 8: But they correspond to the letters correctly :)
entrant 8: Sigh
irivi: hmm, so it says, " If you ever happen upon this number, '9304121' remember there are actually two zeros between three and four. This of course is to distinguish between a rectangle and a square."
entrant 8: Am I really wrong? But the N=1 correlate well with 9304121
entrant 8: Alright, I'll check it again
irivi: well answer me this, did you arrive at the number from something else, or are you trying to take the number alone and make it into something?
entrant 8: Well, the latter actually, because when a I decided to extract a set of letters in alphabetical order, they equate correctly to that given number
entrant 8: And N=1 was guide for me I think
entant 8: Well, I will recheck it again. :)
irivi: that is fascinating, one of the best parts of codemaking/breaking is how people approach it
irivi: based on the hint, you should interpret the phrasing to mean, "As you are on your journey to decode this you will eventually happen upon this number, but something about it isn't quite correct for some reason."
irivi: Hi, ok so there is a Baconian cipher, once you reach a code that might be read as binary is when you will look to the Baconian cipher. any variations of spelling of Shakespeare or with/without quotes is not a hint. The baconion cipher will be towards the very end and breaking it will be the first time you start to read anything remotely intelligible. You are correct in realizing this can only be solved with a brute force methodology. You mention ceasar ciphers and the pope. You also mention the pope's message having something to do with enigma. I would suggest you look at 6 BC as a reference to the power of Caesar. Considering you have found the Luftwaffe and within it is a reference to a time, perhaps the time is just a clarification of enigma settings. You are on the correct path and leagues ahead of anyone else, so let me...
irivi: ...set you up further, you know there is an enigma, you may be aware of a handful of other ciphers used, and from what I have told you, you know you will need to convert a binary number into a baconian cipher. Since the initial code is all letters, and binary is all numbers, there must be a middle link to transfer the letters to numbers. There are only a handful of ciphers used for this task and I chose one of the most common. However, there is no hint given for this step. Consider it an intentional missing link, another element of the brute force. However, as you are so far ahead of all others and I do actually wish to award this prize let me say this which moreso than all else I have said today you should pay attention to:
irivi: If you run are presented with an enigma, and you consult with Ceasar, he will tell you your letters are gibberish and must be adjusted per the apparent codes already presented within the hints. Only after their proper adjustment may they be turned into numbers. Many numbers may equal many things but at their root they are all just 1's and 0's. However the method to achieve the 1's and 0's varies by the power of n. <<<Study this closely and combine it with what you already know and have mentioned, and you will find I have all but handed you the path to the solution. Good Luck!
irivi: I introduced the pope because I needed a timeline and a character to reveal more data necessary to solve the problem. Shakespeare and the pope are not meant to relate to each other in any manner. Shakespeare is meant as character A with a set of information. And Character A is a reference to Francis Bacon as you have deduced. The pope is meant as character b. Character B is not a reference to a code, but not a person/cipher like Shakespeare was to Bacon. The pope has knowledge necessary to solve the various ciphers such as the A-B C-D bit and pay close attention to 6BC as it might relate to a Ceasar cipher. There are other things the pope says OR reveals that will be imperative to properly solving the code. But again there is no significance to the relationship between the pope and Shakespeare, nor is there significance to who..
irivi: ...the pope represents.
irivi: One last bit, if you make it through the enigma and look very closely at not only what the pope says but what is revealed by his actions, and compare this with your results of the enigma, you will see there is in fact an indication you are on the right track. Further not only does it indicate you are on the right path it indicates a manipulation that must be made to what you have as a result of the enigma and what must be done with it before you present it to Caesar. Look very closely at the enigma results and the popes seals and markings on his letters.
irivi: what you have found with section 2 and the quill notice the difference is after the enigma there are no spaces, but in the quill there are spaces, you should try making whatever you receive from a decode that matches up with letters/numbers from the hint match exactly. in other words, if there is a space, add a space, if the numbers are slightly different change the numbers to match the hint
irivi: TORN SUX is funny but coincidental
irivi: you will find the "9304121" number in section 2
irivi: your thinking about n=1 is correct
irivi: until you have decoded real (easy) to read types of words you should ignore this hint: "one thing that still throws me is "It may be wise to occasionally ignore the 13th word in a sentence""
irivi: I would say try going down the same path again with these new bits of information and see if you run into 9304121 somewhere
irivi: So OIKHOI -> I KHOI O
irivi: OR
irivi: OIKHOI -> OI KHOI O
irivi: beware though everything before and after that number still matters, it is what is between it that needs to change. for clarity the next number after 12 should not be 1 but 17