Pete Buttigieg

...is the worst.

I just want to put that out there.

The absolute worst.

God damn man.

If HRC and Obama transferred their pseudo-woke neoliberal force essence into a Bill Clinton sperm cell that somehow got incubated and inserted into Nancy Pelosi's womb, Pete Buttigieg would be the product.

Yeah he's at least if not more problematic then Biden.

Biden and Bootygeg bare no comparison, other than both are not fit for office.

Biden is a Washington criminal. Like the shit eating cousin of a made man living off the obligation the Don owes his mother. Bootygeg, is a philosophical phantom more concerned with advancing the LGTBQ agenda than any other single issue.

Now talk about the republican candidate.

What were you saying about whataboutism?

"The problem with liberals isn't that they're ignorant, its that they know too much that just isn't so."

- Ronald Reagan

A speech he made decades ago is still so accurate today. Reluctantly I watched it, kind of glad I did, as the problem continues today.

trump vs pete would be epic lol. could you imagine?

im hoping Warren or pete get the nom.

You miss the point. And not whataboutism...

The point was, no dem candidate is ever going to be good enough for hoch, because of the bias. He makes 2 claims that Trump is guilty of. Not specificlly the LBGT agenda, but the "dems are the worst" agenda for trump.

but he can't make those disagreements about trump.

And that's the difference, you being "central" should be able to see that.

Other people labeled as "Leftists" in this forum have all criticized Clinton, Warren, Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, and on. And Trump.

Hoch, and a few others can't seem to apply the same criticisms they claim to care about on the left, to Trump.

And Tol, of course you, being "in the middle", takes a Reagan quote to disparage liberals. Reagan said this 1964, when other people:

By 1950, the liberal ideology was so intellectually dominant that the literary critic Lionel Trilling wrote that "liberalism is not only the dominant but even the sole intellectual tradition, [...] there are no conservative or reactionary ideas in circulation".[31]
For almost two decades, Cold War liberalism remained the dominant paradigm in American politics, peaking with the landslide victory of Lyndon B. Johnson over Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential election. Johnson had been a New Deal Democrat in the 1930s and by the 1950s had decided that the Democratic Party had to break from its segregationist past and endorse racial liberalism as well as economic liberalism.


For being in the middle, or no sides, you sure like to keep most of the ammo for one group. Most people that live in countries with multiple representative groups can attest, if you don't hold all sides to the same candle, your hypocritical bias will be all too apparent.

When the quote still holds relevance, it just is what it is.

You cant squirm out of it

There is a difference between being agreeing with principles and attempting to hefting those principles upon others.

For example

Wanting to make businesses accessible to the physically restricted is good. Wanting to destroy all stairs because they are an oppressive symbol of ableism is something else entirely. N

Now this is clearly a ridiculous extreme but very similar extremes are ever present and it's the left, often including Democrats unfortunately, that not only perpetuate these extremes but are their founders.

So while I support many liberal ideas I vehemently oppose their fascist implementation and oppressive approach to those who disagree. For me the end isn't greater than the means.

Take a closer look and you will see that Hoch is merely so fed up with that nonsense he quit listening, and I don't blame him. When people like you refuse to hold these people accountable, even defend their nonsense, don't be shocked they begin to view you as an enemy of sorts

That's what many of you leftists are facing. My neighbor is an uber liberal but disagrees with how the Democrats do pretty much anything. When your own supporters can't trust you, don't expect the other side of the aisle to even listen to you. f**k, it's why trump is your president.

So instead of going at me or Hoch, get your own house in order. Its been off the rails for so long you guys make rich billionaires look like the best choice. When the left grasps this concept, the right will adjust out of necessity