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Started by DezyDeStruktion [899415] on in General Discussion.

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DezyDeStruktion [899415]
Mainman was another one that bricked it at the first sign of being targetted.

Geez i just realised you are a co lead too! RIP jux when ranked warring comes lol.

The instructions were simple we just fought on a bit more till i could figure something out. But you just didn't have that fight in you. Shame really.

All negativity and no solutions.

You need to learn a bit off MJ cookie.
themainman [1629262]
lol asks a question to the leader about what the plan is apparently is running away in fear

you are the one who has literally left leadership due to being asked these questions, you started to panic about what was going on, removed people from leadership and council cause they didnt agree with you or whatever and then threw a fit and ruined relations with every other team

you clearly didnt know what u were doing and trying to use everyone else as your scapegoat
DezyDeStruktion [899415]
Did you get lost reading?

I answered your question gave a direction at 98 lives, and it shows that in your screenshot lmao. But you didn't deliver you sat there winging about me like a little princess instead.

I didn't leave or remove any roles other than 1 person. Snowball did all that.

So your really not speaking any facts here.

Christ! Mj cookie wasn't even council and he was pming to work on a solution while you were bricking it. Please dont do the same to him and hang up the white flag if ever the going gets tough!
Bullzeye [922212]
Yeah it's pretty common to just let the whole team know the targets, they dont need to know the alliances and plans, that's how info gets leaked
themainman [1629262]
yeah your direction was "im gonna ditch my team cause idk wtf im doing and ruin whatever was happening in the background"

sounds like a great plan to me
MeanMike [1884314]
Lol, now I'm the Contradictory One.

I kinda disagree with this point of view.

Any lead worth his or hers salt can look at the other teams attacks in and out for an hour and know exactly who is working together. Acting like alliances are some sort of secret is so 2018. However ...Telling your team who you're working with is good for a couple reasons

1- It prevents errant hits on allies. Friendly fire is quite real in this comp, and whether ya wanna believe it or not, it does have an impact. You have teams losing a push by 1-2 hits sometimes, I'd bet you anything that they have taken at least twice that amount by someone who hasnt been informed they are allied. I would take my alliances being common knowledge over losing a life to friendly fire hits any day of the week.

2- It builds trust and confidence in your team. I can only speak for the teams I've led, but in Lumberjacks and Bankers, every player from the leaders on down felt like they were truly involved in not only our execution, but our plans. They were truly Team Efforts and I think part of that stemmed from the fact that I didn't really keep shit from them.

You can say teams get stacked or whatever, but I can assure you that a BIG part of that is if you play with a leader you trust and that treats you like you're in it together, you're gonna wanna play with that person again next year, and likely hit them up before the comp and ask where they are going.

I dont think keeping people in the dark, or being some sort of Lone Wolf Dictator that doesnt include people in whats goin on makes you that kind of leader.

Just my two cents .. sorry about disagreeing, I love you <3
MaxDamage [2216723]
Everyone seems to be missing the real issue here:
Snowball fell so ill he couldn't lead elimination and nobody seems to give a f**k about him.
How is he doing?
Indubitably [2117849]
Everyone knows who is with who based off who to hit.

Even if all leaders were secretive, you can check faction logs and corroborate who is with who in 5 minutes.

OT: Elimination is a battle of when to turn on the stronger team. Sea Men did it too early, but I don't disagree with the choice to flip early. No matter what they weren't winning on Illu's side. They just learned they aren't winning on the opposing side either.

Acock played it fine from a strategic standpoint, where he went wrong is abandoning the team when shit hit the fan. Go down with the ship, go down with your decisions. I've noticed with leadership in Elim, some people just make executive decisions and it never turns out well. Always talk with other leadership as this competition is literally just being a snake. If you're not the strongest team, you need to be a snake... a good one. There's a reason why the strongest team usually always wins, it's hard to be a good snake.

People think "good" leadership wins this competition, but the reality is people flock to join the strongest team. Then they end up getting walked to the finish line. Someone like Dezy tried to shake things up, but other leaders who want to go out in 6th flock to the other side to take advantage of Sea Men's "mistake".
MrVillain [618400]
Over here at Illuminati, our members are happy with knowing we don't have any clue what is going on aside from who we're supposed to hit. We've never been told a plan or alliances, just who to hit and when. And with few exceptions, everyone is on board with leadership keeping us in the dark to reduce the impact of spies.

Granted, it's easier to have faith when you're sitting high in tickets, but losing faith in your leaders because they're keeping alliance plans close to the vest is stupid and a clear sign of someone who doesn't understand how Elim works. In Elim there are the leaders and the grunts, and a good grunt keeps their head down and follows orders no matter what.
DezyDeStruktion [899415]
Abandoning my team?

Did you miss the whole topic of the thread about having all my roles removed in the sea men server cutting off all my communications with the team members?

Myself and a few others spent 2 days manually verifying 350 members lol
Indubitably [2117849]
A role is just a role, you said 82% of people wanted you leading.

Can still lead without a role on Discord. But once you felt wronged, you got lots of people leaving + not giving a shit about the event on your behalf.

idk, lots of drama, just threw in my 2 cents
DezyDeStruktion [899415]
Can still lead without a role on discord?

Please explain how that would be possible when im not even given a roll to access the basic member channel lol

Edit: smh indub!