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Table of Contents

• Trading Strategies / Tips
• Steps to Your First Billion!
• Flower Running Portion
• Basic Trade Terminology
• Answer These Questions For Me?

• A Mugger's Guide to $1,000,000,000

Trading

Trading Strategies/Tips

• Last Month - Use this when you want a detailed overview of how the item is doing recently.
• Last 3 months - I do not use.
• Last 6 months - Use this to determine trend lines and compare how the item intends to do in the coming months dependent on trendlines.
• Last 1 year - Use this to find any market spikes in conjunction with the "all time" option.
• Last 3 years - I do not use. Not needed since there is an all-time option.
• All-time - Use this to see if an item has a "common" trend pattern. Meaning if an item raises based on seasonal times. Things like cans, medical items, and even donator packs follow a typical trend pattern.

Steps to your first Billion

Basic Trading Terminology

• or - These symbols are used when a trader is posting something in the Trading Forums giving a brief outline of what they are asking for from other players. means the trader wants to buy a certain item (typically at a discounted price), means the trader wants to sell a certain item to people that are looking to buy.
• OBO - OBO stands for "Or Best Offer". Traders use this when they want to move something that they obtained for a relatively cheap price, and any amount of offer will provide a profit for the trader. A lot of traders will use this to their advantaged, however, because the good traders will strike up a deal with someone that's asking for offers to try and re-sell that item for a better profit later on down the road.
• "Mail me your Offers" - This is a term used by new-comers when they don't fully understand how much their item is worth or they simply don't have time to research. The items sold like this are typically high-valued items, and traders love/hate these people. Traders love them because typically (60% of the time) they can pay WAY under market value for an item to take advantage of the "in-experienced" traders. Traders also HATE these types of people because what the seller is actually looking for is a better understanding of how much an item is worth. To them, its a sloppy way of doing research for their unknown item. Most traders will likely not negotiate with you, later on, so be careful if you chose to do your research. It can cause issues for some people. I've added people to my ignore list because of this before, and I'm sure people have added me to theirs.
• Profit Margin - A traders "bottom-line" of how much profit they want to earn per item bought. Its up to the trader how much of a profit margin they want to set for themselves. This profit margin is also referred too as a "mark up" but more importantly refers to how a transaction will provide income for the trader.
• Mark Up - A traders "added" fee to buying cheap and selling the item at a higher price. This is a traders main source of income.
• Sweet 16 - Most traders strive for a 16% mark up when they go to re-sell their items. In some cases, a trade will require the trader to accept a lower % of their mark up in order for them to make the deal work.
• At "Cost" - Traders tend to avoid paying for things "at cost" because that means the trader is willing to pay for an item at a price they intend to sell the item for. This turns ZERO profit, and its recommended that no Trader practices this. There are exceptions, however. For example, if the trader is trying to Buy the market (another term below), then they wouldn't be hurting as long as it still turns a profit.
• Buying the Market - Is when the trader is buying up all the stock of a certain item at a lower price with intentions to "inflate" that items market value by selling off their stock at a higher price. This is rarely ever seen by traders mainly because of its huge risk factor, but in some instances, it can prove to be highly effective. The most common item traders tend to buy the market on are points. Mainly because it's easy and relays a quick profit if the market is stagnant.
• Haggling - Means to negotiate and agree upon a price after some persistently made offers and counter-offers were exchanged. Some traders describe their haggling skills as an art but never want to boast about it due to others feeling like their being taken advantage of. It is a skill to some extent to haggle with someone, and in most cases, you have to be willing to walk away if the seller won't hit your "bottom-line".
• Bottom-Line - The lowest price you'll sell something for. And visa-versa, the highest price you'll buy something for. Traders have a set "profit margin" on a lot of their common items they trade for, all of these profit margins have a "bottom-line" to them and are used persistently by traders.
• MV - means "Market Value".
• Market Value - The fluctuation of how much an item is worth on the item market. It is very important to watch how the market value does for items that you typically try and follow. This is where keeping an excel sheet available
• Market Spike - A huge increase in value on an item due to outside sources. You will see market spikes on certain items when an update rolls out that positively effects
• Reserve Stock - This term is used for the Elite Traders that have some extra cash on hand that can constantly hold a certain amount of items on them in case an event or Market Spike occurs. The most common example of this would be stocking up on is Neumune Tablets until a Dirty Bomb is detonated and selling off these tablets to the players that are affected at a higher than normal price. Some of the very best traders practice this, but you have to seriously invest a lot of time and effort into getting to the point of wasting money on reserve stock. If you can afford this, it's a guaranteed profit if/when the right time approaches.
• High/Low Saturation Value - A term used to describe an item's market value with respect to how many items are on the market. Supply and demand takes over,
• Runners - a player recruited by a Trader to obtain a certain item from overseas. A Trader's dream would be to get a ton of runners for them and obtain cheap items from overseas and sell to them to the trader for cheaper than market value so the trader can turn a profit on the items once they sell on the item market. Traders typically recruit this "runners" from their faction/friends, but can also get
• A Proxy - a term used to avoid being mugged. A trader that struggles to trade high-valued items without getting mugged afterward will sometimes use a "proxy" player to sell their items for them. These proxy players should be trusted friends/faction players with a large amount of stats to hopefully defend from any incoming attacks after a quick snipe. Typically traders will pay their "partner" a thank you fee, but deals are often made from this standpoint. Such as the trader "deals" to make some runs for the proxy.
• Sniping - This is more of a term that belongs in the mugging section, but seeing how it relates heavily to trading, I will add it here as well. Sniping is when a mugger finds a target that is trying to trade a high-valued item or a large volume of items and buys them all up then proceeds to try and mug a portion of their money back.
• Turtling - This is a defensive strategy that some Traders are forced to practice because of what they would be selling could be sniped by muggers. When a trader is turtling, they will either "hosp" themselves on a strong player and then proceed to try and make a deal with a player. This will prevent the mugger from mugging their earnings right after the transaction was completed.
• Autoregressive - A form of Market Spike, but this one is a randomly determined process used in statistical calculations in which future values are estimated based on a weighted sum of past values. An autoregressive process operates under the premise that past values have an effect on current values. As a trader, you always are trying to look for a way to get the most out of the market. If you're able to chart how items are doing with respect to value, then you can somewhat autoregressively look at what might happen next. A Perfect example of this would be the Hazmat Suits or Cesium. Once a certain saturation level cleared off with cesium, it made their prices go up (supply and demand). Traders took advantage of this and raised the pricing on the hazmat suits by nearly 600% increase. A year ago, Hazmat suits were selling for around 500mil a piece. But ever since the great DB drop of 2014 (3 DB's were dropped within the same week which resulted in 300 cesium taken out of the market), cesium skyrocketed and so did the hazmat suits (since its a related item), and now they can be worth close to 3 billion apiece.
• Throwback - A price that dips below a price pattern or trendline. The retreat toward the level of the breakout is not uncommon and is used by many traders to confirm the validity of the new momentum.
• Price Pattern / Trendline - is basically an attempt to find order in the sometimes seemingly random movement of price. Swings of high and low creating an almost "candlestick" look to a charted item that "averages" out the medium of the item's market value. The candlestick and price patterns are important tools for analyzing price action since they help traders visualize of price movement. Candlestick patterns such as the fluctuation value for a flamethrower is a good example of visually interpreted price action. See image below for an example of this. You want to invest in items that have a positive trendline and avoid the ones that have negative trendline's.

• Market Trend - Is when the value of an item skyrockets or plummets due to outside interference other than typical market progressions. For instance, when Ched rolled out the most recent medical update, morphine was staying at a constant state of around $16,000 a piece. Since the update rolled out and made morphine give your character "life", the price of the morphine has skyrocketed to nearly $30,000 a piece. This "outside" source created a trend for players to jump on and sell off their unwanted morphine for a huge profit. Since the players jumped on this trend of selling off their unwanted morphine. With so much market saturation on the market due to this update, it makes it hard for traders to make a profit due to little to no fluctuation in value. If you look at the value of morphine, you'll notice where some traders tried to "buy the market", but the value very quickly reverted back to the original pricing prior to the trader attempting to buy the market.
• Trending - When an item's value shows a steady increase in value. Traders love these items and will often want to invest heavily on these types of items whenever they can.
• Market Progression - Is when the market value of an item rarely fluctuates but stays in a constant flow of "progression", whether that be a negative or positive progression.
• Bulk - Traders tend to buy items in "bulk" when they want to obtain a discount from the seller due to them buying a lot of stock all at once. Serious traders buying in bulk, they never sell in bulk. The only reason a trader sells in bulk is because they need the money from the sale to pay for something else.
• Turn a Profit - This is when a trader buys an item for cheaper then they would sell it for, essentially flipping the item to make a fast profit on it. Bricks are the best thing to flip in the game. Unfortunately, bricks are not worth a lot, but with a large volume, it could prove beneficial. Their flipped value is a 10,000% increase if you buy them from the city store.
• Volume - A trader invests a lot of money in an item that turns a small profit individually, but in large quantities, the profits are off the charts. IE: 100 bricks a day generates a free $49,500 profit. But save up 10,000 bricks (over 100 days of buying bricks) and you made a $4,950,000 in profits.
• Undercutting - Is when a trader sacrifices a portion of their profit margin in order to obtain business over a rival trader.
• Bidding War - A trader's worse nightmare. If you're ever caught in a bidding war with another trader, make sure you set yourself a bottom line to not exceed in regards to your profit margins. I personally refuse to participate in bidding wars for cheaper items (items under $100mil in value), but find it necessary to participate in more expensive items if there is a war going on. Just depends on how much I think I can make off the item in question. 5% profit margins are low, but on an expensive item that's worth a billion dollars, that's still a 50mil profit. 5% on an FHC is only 700k, that is not worth it to me...Again, it's all dependent on the trader. I'm at a point in my TC trading career where I don't need to mess with FHCs, but there are others that making millions off this.

Your Thoughts?

Table of Contents

• Mugging Rules/Common Practices
• Finding a Good Mug Target
• Tips and Tricks to Mugging
• Answer These Questions For Me?

• A Trader's Guide to $1,000,000,000

Mugging Guide

• Make sure you are balancing stat gains with mugging. Don't turn into one of the high level-XP punchbags. That's never fun...I personally only do muggings for about 2-3 months out of the year. The rest of the year i focus on training my stats and go back into trading for money.
• You will likely gain enemies if you cannot successfully stealth your attacks. You will especially earn enemies if you trade mug. To some, this means nothing. It's a game. But to others, this game is their way to socialize with others and would rather not make a name for themselves for being hated or disliked. So if you are the one that would rather be respected and loved, maybe consider trading as an income. lol
• Patience is a virtue. There will be some days that you dont even come close to hitting your daily income goal. Just keep at it.

Mugging Rules/Common Practices

1. Never mug a player within 15 hours of your previous mug. You do not want to mug a target on a frequent basis due to a "mugging reduction" rule. When you go to mug someone, you gain a certain percentage of what the target has on hand. The percentage you will mug decreases the more money the player has on hand. I'll dive more into this later, just as a rule of thumb, avoid mugging a target on a frequent basis to avoid the muggers reduction rule.
2. Use 55 merits to upgrade your mugging effectiveness. You can obtain up to twice as much per mug if your merit effectiveness on "Masterful Looting" is increased to 10/10.
3. Try to avoid hopping on a mugging chain. Back when mugging reduction wasn't a thing, mugging chains were very common. Muggers would be watching the hospital for anyone that was constantly being mugged. That showed people that they had money on hand and that they should jump on mugging them in hopes to get a payday. This is NO LONGER the case, in fact you want to avoid "sharing" your mug targets with anyone!
4. Organizing/updating your target list (aka, blacklist) is essential. As a mugger, your goal is to obtain as much money as you can in a day. Organizing your blacklist to where you know which target will "yield" more money will be very important when you're trying to decide who to spend the last of your E on. Also, once your target stops yielding a certain amount of money (designated by you), remove them from your blacklist to make room for someone else. Everyone will be different here, so I can't advise you what you should maintain.
5. Maintain a healthy mug list. The majority of your mugging should be geared towards "farming" off a set list of players. You can mug constantly and peek effectiveness by having 15 players on your mug list. I like to hold onto 30 people so the mug pool doesn't grow stagnant and I have options for mugging.
6. Don't give up. Know all the ways into how to find mug targets, and mix things up if things get stagnant. If you find that a certain method works best for you, stick to that method. But as soon as things start to slow down, don't get discouraged and give up, try new methods. There are a plethora of ways to find targets. I will go into detail on how to find each one of them in this tutorial.

Finding a Good Mug Target

• Networth above 5bil. There are currently 9,450 players with 5bil or greater networth, so dont just search in the top 1000 players like everyone else does.
• Inactive Window of 2 days-12 days. If the target is carrying alot of cash, most muggers will find this target within a few weeks. We want slightly inactive players, but not players that have abandoned the game.
• Age/Level. From what I've learned over the years of mugging, higher levels with low amount of age tend to have the most cash on hand. So if you're trying to pick a target and only have one attack left, pick the one with a higher level or significantly less age. (Use this formula to calculate your target: 1 Level = 100 days). Obviously this is opinion based, so up to you if you use this as a search
• Can you beat them? Look at their xanax taken, defends lost/won, time played and energy refills used. If they all are higher than yours, maybe you pass this target for the next one.....no need to waste the energy on a potential loss especially if there are other targets out there.

1. Set up a trade where you're buying something valuable. You should have a second window open focused on your target ready to attack them. You can even go as far as going into the attack window (just dont start the attack). Have them accept the trade first, that way there is less time for them to bank or store the money from the trade. When the money is exchanged, you at about 1-3 seconds to mug them (if they are smart players), because they'll likely store the money after the trade. Afterwards, you can then either sell the high-valued item, or try the next technique!
2. You could also offer to sell a high priced item. You want to line a buyer of the product you want to sell. Once they add money into the trade, simply cancel the trade and try and steal the money that was returned to them from the canceled trade.
3. Points Market. Either you can watch the points market for someone with a lot of points on sale to be sold, or you can buy the points yourself. In either instance, the goal here to mug them once the points sell and they have that large amount of cash on hand.
4. Another way to snipe money is to follow the poker tables. This strategy is more time consuming because you have to watch the table for your target to "leave" the table. Typically, this method is less common because people dont generally want to wait for their target to leave the table because they have no idea when they'll be leaving. Still though, this is an effective strategy if you can manage to pull it off.
5. Russian Roulette sniping. RR is a little more complicated cause most of the time, you'll want to play the other person so you know when you need to mug them. Of coarse, you'll have to morph out
6. Estate agents selling market is a pretty good venue to farm. The sellers have to let their item be up for sale for long periods of time forcing them to not "pay close attention" when their property sells. You're looking for players that have been inactive for a while (even if their property up for sale is higher than market value).
7. The auction house is pretty close to the same situation as the estate agents, except there is a definite end date of the auction. However, the sellers dont typically plan to stay online and bank their earnings which is what you're counting on. Either participate and buy the items, or watch the auctions expire and mug them afterwards.

Tips and Tricks to Mugging

• If my last Three mugs were less than 1,000,000 dollars.
• If someone else is mugging the target and I cant snipe the target before my opponent does.
• If i lose a fight to my target more than 3 times. If a target is somewhat difficult to beat, you'll want to look at much your gaining from them. It may be worth while to prioritize your mugs on someone else.

Your Thoughts?

• Do you have any questions after reading this guide? I'm not saying I'm a mugging guru, but i'm confident in what i posted above to be effective to those of you that are serious about mugging.
• Do you have any other strategies not outline above? Feel free to share them in this thread or mail me directly. If it's good enough, i can add it to the guide!
• Whats your most common strategy you use when looking for mug targets? I'm curious. [:cool:]
• What are your thoughts on trade mugging? I know this can be somewhat of a controversial topic, so im interested in what you guys think!
• Would you like to see other guides from me? I might be interested in writing a guide for stock market and gambling. but I'd like to do more research before writing anything on that.

“It’s time you stop, you uncultured swine.”

- bogie

Hey. Dont attack my existence please. Just because I’ve been playing torn longer than I haven’t, doesn’t mean I’m a pleb!

OG doing OG things. Nice interview man

It’s a good faction to join

I honestly didn’t notice 

Oh man, this a sad day indeed. Cancer is a shity disease. I’m sorry for your loss. 💔 

It has been pretty boring from an outside perspective looking in….yall just keep even tickets, slowly working through your betrayals one at a time? Weak…

Honestly, I was afk at the start since I was coming back from holiday. I feel a little sad we’re already done before I got a chance to actually do anything. where is my special dunce cap item? I feel like us idiots deserve it haha

Honestly, summoning M'oal should come with an honor...

I hate this. I hate you for pointing this out to me. I hate myself for not understanding your statement in the slightest. 

It’s 5mil/10mil for revives these days? wtf…lol I’ll just sit in the hosp. I’m good.

If someone revives me and I don’t ask for it, I don’t pay them. I will send a reviver a xan if I OD though and they revive me without asking. I typically keep my revives turned off 99% of the time, so I rarely ever get unsolicited revives anyway. 

Lol

I got a 45 lol

You also get crime xp for the 0 nerve inquire inputs too. Not sure if that was intended or not 

Good to know. Let’s see if he does the same when I blacklist him too lol

For a game with no real end, it was inevitable that we’d end up with 500+ ultra-elite players and a huge number of micro-classes. That just makes sense to me. It was always going to happen eventually. Considering your play style, you might be better off changing your expectations like myself.

I agree that there hasn’t been much to grind for lately when it comes to new metas. One of the most enjoyable parts for me was discovering new things when they were first released. The last exciting grind I remember was when RW caches introduced unique armor and weapons. Before that, people mostly chased dual weapons or tried to find the highest-stat gear. That all changed with the arrival of unique items and specialized perks. It opened the door for real theorycrafting, which was awesome.

Like anything though, if you give it enough time, the market gets saturated and the excitement fades. These days, I don’t see many theorycrafting posts that feel original. That era seems to have passed, at least for now. And that’s fine. I’m still grinding and testing out different builds. It’s actually easier now to grind for because the market for these items are plentiful, making it cheaper for us lesser plebes to afford. Ha

I’d say the second-best content they released was Crimes 2.0. When it was introduced, it was a fun and refreshing distraction. But the rollout has taken far too long, and it’s hard to stay excited about something that still feels incomplete. The unique crime merits have been fun to chase. Some are genuinely difficult, which I enjoy. Still, considering how long it’s been in development, the execution feels a little sloppy and unfinished.

I’ve accepted that I’ll never be one of the rich or elite players, so I’ve had to shift my expectations. Competing through stats or money isn’t realistic for me, so I’ve focused on other goals. Merit hunting is what keeps me playing. I’ve been working toward 100 percent for years, and that’s enough to keep me engaged. Obviously that goal is finite, so whether I stick around after hitting it will depend on where Torn is at the time.

Fortunately, the game has evolved just enough to keep my goals shifting. I nearly reached 100 percent once before, and then Crimes 2.0 launched. I expect that kind of shift will happen again. There are still a lot of crime merits left, and they’ll keep me entertained for a long time.

When I finally hit 100 percent, that might be the beginning of the end for me. And that’s okay. Torn has kept me entertained for over 20 years, which is a big deal in itself. No other game has come close. I’m one of the few OGs who can honestly say I’ve played Torn for more of my life than not. That’s a crazy thing to think about.

TLDR: Keep your expectations in check. Nothing lasts forever, so enjoy the ride while it’s still fun. And when it’s time to move on, do it with some dignity. Hah

Found for now.

• Manual labor 283,767
• Intelligence 236,476
• Endurance 243,076
• Total 763,319

10/10 merits 

I have brown nosing book active atm. I have about two weeks left. 

Nah, 5% min. 

Found

Looking for a high paying job. 

Manual Labor: 283,767

Intelligence: 235,750

Endurance: 241,624

Total: 761,141

I also want to use the Brown-Nosing book, which increases EE by +50 for 31 days.

What I am offering:

- Mild drug user

- I rehab at 1% addiction (or upon request)

- 7/10 EE merits (Willing to go to 10/10 if warranted) 

- Highly Active 

- Brown Nosing Book

Mail/chat me if you're interested. We can discuss terms, but understand we'll be negotiating for both salary and the use of the book separately. I'd like to get paid upfront for the book as a sign on bonus, but am willing to work it into the salary for trustworthy people.