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Hi all, I'm just having a bit of fun making different builds and I realised there is specific wording around what affects your stats, with the difference usually being the word "passive". Do things that "passively" affect your stats make a new base stat, or is it all additive nomatter the wording?

I just want this clarified as the scaling is enourmously different, especially when using a quicken weapon which TORN specifically states increases passive speed!

Can I have 2 examples clarified by someone who is 100% sure on the maths.

1B Base Speed with Merits and Melatonin

Scenario A

1B Base Speed + 10/10 Merits (+30% passive) + Melatonin Jab (+500% direct)

1.  (1B Speed + 30%) + (5x 1.3B) = 7.6B
2.  1B Speed + (500% + 30%) = 6.3B

Scenario B

1B Base Speed + 10/10 Merits (+30% passive) + Quicken 200% (+200% passive) + Melatonin Jab (+500% direct)

1.  (1B Speed + 30% + 200%) + (5x 3.3B) = 19.8B
2.  1B Speed + (500% + 30% + 200%) = 8.3B

So as you can see, especially in Scenario B if we allow "passive increase" to speed to affect base speed, the scaling is huge.

So my actual question is, do "passive" speed increases affect base speed, or are they just the same as a vico or melatonin increase?

If so, does anything actually affect base stat increases before the needle/drug happens?

Thanks all, sorry if this seems silly, just want everything understood before making decisions!

For anyone that needs a clearer explanation, I didnt realise there was a full explanation: https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=1&t=16133113&b=0&a=0

Hi all, I'm just having a bit of fun making different builds and I realised there is specific wording around what affects your stats, with the difference usually being the word "passive". Do things that "passively" affect your stats make a new base stat, or is it all additive nomatter the wording?

I just want this clarified as the scaling is enourmously different, especially when using a quicken weapon which TORN specifically states increases passive speed!

Can I have 2 examples clarified by someone who is 100% sure on the maths.

1B Base Speed with Merits and Melatonin

Scenario A

1B Base Speed + 10/10 Merits (+30% passive) + Melatonin Jab (+500% direct)

1.  (1B Speed + 30%) + (5x 1.3B) = 7.6B
2.  1B Speed + (500% + 30%) = 6.3B

Scenario B

1B Base Speed + 10/10 Merits (+30% passive) + Quicken 200% (+200% passive) + Melatonin Jab (+500% direct)

1.  (1B Speed + 30% + 200%) + (5x 3.3B) = 19.8B
2.  1B Speed + (500% + 30% + 200%) = 8.3B

So as you can see, especially in Scenario B if we allow "passive increase" to speed to affect base speed, the scaling is huge.

So my actual question is, do "passive" speed increases affect base speed, or are they just the same as a vico or melatonin increase?

If so, does anything actually affect base stat increases before the needle/drug happens?

Thanks all, sorry if this seems silly, just want everything understood before making decisions!

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