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Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Once again you try and manipulate and twist what is posted to fit your agenda. I called Hamas scumbags if you go and read again. I said bye bye Palestine because at this rate this is going to grow into a full blown war in which Israel might just take all the land since it has given Palestine decades to try and prove they can live a peaceful coexistence. You call me prejudice in my views but post after post all you have done is be an apologist for Hamas and try to make excuses for their terrorist activities. I am not prejudiced in my views, im just tired of having to run to my basement every single time an air raid siren goes off because someone is not happy with having their own state and want to destroy my country, my people and my religion. You sit idly by and read things off the internet and see a few things on the news but i live with the constant fear from Hamas that a rocket might hit my house or they might kidnap me or my family and torture and kill us. I have Palestinian neighbors who are tired of the bloodshed and fighting but have even stated they would never speak out against Hamas for fear of their own lives.

Not once have i condemned all Palestinians just Hamas. The only thing i have stated is at this rate they will lose the land they have due to the actions of 1 group of scumbags. Show some maturity and do not try to decipher or interpret my words into something they are not, do not twist my words into some meaning they are not. I clearly state what i want to say nothing more nothing less.

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Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Palestinians must be held accountable for their love affair with terror. Years of the Israeli occupation are no excuse for barbarism. If history had gone differently in the United States and African Americans had relied on domestic acts of terrorism rather than peaceful nonviolent resistance as a way of gaining their civil rights, no one would have excused the murder of white teenagers as justified retribution for years of pernicious racism and inhuman slavery. Similarly, no one would tolerate Native Indian-Americans seeking to vindicate the Trail of Tears by bringing tears to the eyes of suddenly childless white American mothers.

It’s important to remember that Palestinians are not the only ones who can claim the status of human rights victims. Neither the Kurds, Tibetans, Congolese, nor Sudanese have responded with acts of terror against their far worse persecutors. Why are Palestinians granted a license of bloodlust as an excusable remedy for their suffering?

Human life may be precious, but the way it gets taken away is not always the same. Children who are kidnapped and killed to serve the twisted ends of a liberation movement are not casualties of war. And Palestinian mothers who push their children toward jihad and martyrdom are not the same as the three grieving Israeli mothers whose boys never made it back home.

If Israel really wanted peace. It would have abandoned the occupied territories and given them back to its rightful owners. That would have created dialogue and push things closer for peace. The continued occupation is undoubtedly having a detrimental affect on any real peace plans.

So is shooting rockets at Israel and murdering innocent teenagers. The only reason they are still occupied is that they have not shown they can govern themselves and instead of trying to prove that they can, they resort to terrorism to try to win a war they cannot win, to achieve the destruction of Israel which they will never achieve. Look all over the middle east and north africa you see the same sort of violence going on. These animals do not want to talk, they want to kill and destroy to get what they want. I am referring to the animals in ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas and other related organizations that think that killing their enemy is the only way to achieve their goals.

What about the Israeli animals. We also saw an innocent Palestinian boy get burnt alive by the Jewish defence league; a terror group. How many people were arrested for that? Why isn't your government taking the murder of that Palestinian seriously?
Hamas is only firing those rockets because Israel is not giving them back their homes. The state of Israel is breaking international law for its prolonged occupation. What have you got to say about that?

You are very tiring, will you please research your point before you make blatantly wrong posts. We have arrested 6 people for that horrible crime. We take that crime just as serious as the crime against our 3 dead youths.

So its ok for someone to exchange rocket fire for a house? Do you realize how ignorant and stupid that sounds. If that was the case every time someone gets there home foreclosed on they should fire rockets at the bank? Do you think Israel would even bother if it was not constantly under threat from these Hamas terrorists?

Hundreds of people were arrested for being affiliated with Hamas. And only 6 people get arrested from a Jewish terrorist group that has many thousand supporters.

Once again you equate 2 different things.
Read carefully.

6 people were arrested for the murder of a Palestinian youth
0 arrested for the murder of 3 Israeli youth but 2 are being sought.

The people you say that were arrested are not arrested but detained by the military after they have attacked Israeli troops and police while they searched for the 3 Israeli youths. They were not arrested in connection to the murder of the Israeli youths. If they are innocent they will be released but a majority of them have committed crimes and are know members of Hamas or supporters of Hamas.

Ibz im sorry but i cannot continue debating with you at all. All you do is make excuses for Hamas and make fanciful claims it was some else who killed these children. This is still ongoing and sorry but our government does not have to show evidence on something that is ongoing. When these animals are caught and tried in court then the evidence should be shown. If these 2 individuals were innocent then why are they hiding and trying to elude capture, an innocent man does not run and hide like a coward.

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IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Palestinians must be held accountable for their love affair with terror. Years of the Israeli occupation are no excuse for barbarism. If history had gone differently in the United States and African Americans had relied on domestic acts of terrorism rather than peaceful nonviolent resistance as a way of gaining their civil rights, no one would have excused the murder of white teenagers as justified retribution for years of pernicious racism and inhuman slavery. Similarly, no one would tolerate Native Indian-Americans seeking to vindicate the Trail of Tears by bringing tears to the eyes of suddenly childless white American mothers.

It’s important to remember that Palestinians are not the only ones who can claim the status of human rights victims. Neither the Kurds, Tibetans, Congolese, nor Sudanese have responded with acts of terror against their far worse persecutors. Why are Palestinians granted a license of bloodlust as an excusable remedy for their suffering?

Human life may be precious, but the way it gets taken away is not always the same. Children who are kidnapped and killed to serve the twisted ends of a liberation movement are not casualties of war. And Palestinian mothers who push their children toward jihad and martyrdom are not the same as the three grieving Israeli mothers whose boys never made it back home.

If Israel really wanted peace. It would have abandoned the occupied territories and given them back to its rightful owners. That would have created dialogue and push things closer for peace. The continued occupation is undoubtedly having a detrimental affect on any real peace plans.

So is shooting rockets at Israel and murdering innocent teenagers. The only reason they are still occupied is that they have not shown they can govern themselves and instead of trying to prove that they can, they resort to terrorism to try to win a war they cannot win, to achieve the destruction of Israel which they will never achieve. Look all over the middle east and north africa you see the same sort of violence going on. These animals do not want to talk, they want to kill and destroy to get what they want. I am referring to the animals in ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas and other related organizations that think that killing their enemy is the only way to achieve their goals.

What about the Israeli animals. We also saw an innocent Palestinian boy get burnt alive by the Jewish defence league; a terror group. How many people were arrested for that? Why isn't your government taking the murder of that Palestinian seriously?
Hamas is only firing those rockets because Israel is not giving them back their homes. The state of Israel is breaking international law for its prolonged occupation. What have you got to say about that?

You are very tiring, will you please research your point before you make blatantly wrong posts. We have arrested 6 people for that horrible crime. We take that crime just as serious as the crime against our 3 dead youths.

So its ok for someone to exchange rocket fire for a house? Do you realize how ignorant and stupid that sounds. If that was the case every time someone gets there home foreclosed on they should fire rockets at the bank? Do you think Israel would even bother if it was not constantly under threat from these Hamas terrorists?

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Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Ibz you contradict yourself, you say Israel indiscriminately fires into Palestine and you have stated that Israel always launches these attacks first. If that is the case why would they have to kidnap and kill their own teenagers for a reason to have a conflict. Start making some legitimate points please instead of wild fantasies and false accusations. Put the blame where blame should be, with Hamas.

You were the one that said it must have been a Palestinian that killed the boys if it wasn't Hamas. I just simply stated it could have been anyone. Maybe an Israeli or a criminal group. You were the one that branded all Palestinians as potential murderers.

No i am not, im saying it was Hamas 100% but you wish to deny that. I was just saying if it was not then who else could it be. It was for sure 100% not Israelis who killed their own kids to start a conflict and i am sure that you do no even believe that deep in your brain. It could not just be anyone, it was 2 members of Hamas who are Palestinians that did it, end of story. Its just as likely aliens from the planet Xarzicon 5 came down and did it as it was anyone but Hamas.

Again, where is the evidence for all these accusations? Your argument has no real basis. When president Bush said that there were WMDs in Iraq were there any? No.
For some reason I do not understand why you think an Israeli won't kill their own people. We see Americans kill Americans. I don't see why you think Israelis are an exception to that. I also said the deaths of these boys could have been carried our by a criminal group. We see kidnappings happen very often by criminals.

The evidence is with the authorities that are searching for these terrorists. My argument is based on facts and even common sense. I fail to see what President Bush and Iraq have to do with Hamas murdering innocent kids besides it being used by you to divert the conversation onto another tangent which i would be more then happy to discuss or debate in a different thread but not this one. You can state over and over that it could of been someone else but you seem semi intelligent enough to know the truth and i think deep down you know who did it but would never admit it since it would destroy the premise of your whole argument along with your blinded support of Hamas.

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Palestinians must be held accountable for their love affair with terror. Years of the Israeli occupation are no excuse for barbarism. If history had gone differently in the United States and African Americans had relied on domestic acts of terrorism rather than peaceful nonviolent resistance as a way of gaining their civil rights, no one would have excused the murder of white teenagers as justified retribution for years of pernicious racism and inhuman slavery. Similarly, no one would tolerate Native Indian-Americans seeking to vindicate the Trail of Tears by bringing tears to the eyes of suddenly childless white American mothers.

It’s important to remember that Palestinians are not the only ones who can claim the status of human rights victims. Neither the Kurds, Tibetans, Congolese, nor Sudanese have responded with acts of terror against their far worse persecutors. Why are Palestinians granted a license of bloodlust as an excusable remedy for their suffering?

Human life may be precious, but the way it gets taken away is not always the same. Children who are kidnapped and killed to serve the twisted ends of a liberation movement are not casualties of war. And Palestinian mothers who push their children toward jihad and martyrdom are not the same as the three grieving Israeli mothers whose boys never made it back home.

If Israel really wanted peace. It would have abandoned the occupied territories and given them back to its rightful owners. That would have created dialogue and push things closer for peace. The continued occupation is undoubtedly having a detrimental affect on any real peace plans.

So is shooting rockets at Israel and murdering innocent teenagers. The only reason they are still occupied is that they have not shown they can govern themselves and instead of trying to prove that they can, they resort to terrorism to try to win a war they cannot win, to achieve the destruction of Israel which they will never achieve. Look all over the middle east and north africa you see the same sort of violence going on. These animals do not want to talk, they want to kill and destroy to get what they want. I am referring to the animals in ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas and other related organizations that think that killing their enemy is the only way to achieve their goals.

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Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Ibz you contradict yourself, you say Israel indiscriminately fires into Palestine and you have stated that Israel always launches these attacks first. If that is the case why would they have to kidnap and kill their own teenagers for a reason to have a conflict. Start making some legitimate points please instead of wild fantasies and false accusations. Put the blame where blame should be, with Hamas.

You were the one that said it must have been a Palestinian that killed the boys if it wasn't Hamas. I just simply stated it could have been anyone. Maybe an Israeli or a criminal group. You were the one that branded all Palestinians as potential murderers.

No i am not, im saying it was Hamas 100% but you wish to deny that. I was just saying if it was not then who else could it be. It was for sure 100% not Israelis who killed their own kids to start a conflict and i am sure that you do no even believe that deep in your brain. It could not just be anyone, it was 2 members of Hamas who are Palestinians that did it, end of story. Its just as likely aliens from the planet Xarzicon 5 came down and did it as it was anyone but Hamas.

Palestinians must be held accountable for their love affair with terror. Years of the Israeli occupation are no excuse for barbarism. If history had gone differently in the United States and African Americans had relied on domestic acts of terrorism rather than peaceful nonviolent resistance as a way of gaining their civil rights, no one would have excused the murder of white teenagers as justified retribution for years of pernicious racism and inhuman slavery. Similarly, no one would tolerate Native Indian-Americans seeking to vindicate the Trail of Tears by bringing tears to the eyes of suddenly childless white American mothers.

It’s important to remember that Palestinians are not the only ones who can claim the status of human rights victims. Neither the Kurds, Tibetans, Congolese, nor Sudanese have responded with acts of terror against their far worse persecutors. Why are Palestinians granted a license of bloodlust as an excusable remedy for their suffering?

Human life may be precious, but the way it gets taken away is not always the same. Children who are kidnapped and killed to serve the twisted ends of a liberation movement are not casualties of war. And Palestinian mothers who push their children toward jihad and martyrdom are not the same as the three grieving Israeli mothers whose boys never made it back home.

Ibz you contradict yourself, you say Israel indiscriminately fires into Palestine and you have stated that Israel always launches these attacks first. If that is the case why would they have to kidnap and kill their own teenagers for a reason to have a conflict. Start making some legitimate points please instead of wild fantasies and false accusations. Put the blame where blame should be, with Hamas.

I give up, no sense in talking to you. Your points are ludicrous. Do you honestly think Israelis actually murdered Israeli teens just to start a war?

You still do not put any responsibility on Hamas or Palestine but continually put 100% blame on Israel. You say they indiscriminately bomb Hamas targets, who the hell else are they gonna target besides the people shooting rockets into their cities? You are blinded, foolish and nothing but a terrorist sympathizer continually making excuses for Hamas.

Just for the sake of argument if it wasnt Hamas(even so they have called for such action by their leaders) then it must have been done by normal Palestinian citizens(for the record it was Hamas but just proving Ibz's point of it not being Hamas is silly) which would mean that the regular citizens of Palestine are terrorists and murderers also. Israel is not gonna post the evidence it has that these individuals committed this atrocity. As for the 500 plus arrested they are not innocent people. Most are Hamas operatives or have committed crimes against Israelis. There should be a lot more then that in jail. Israel should be arresting everyone who is throwing stones, molotov cocktails, and shooting at israeli troops and police. As stated before it is Hamas fault for any palestinian casualties, if they would not shoot rockets into israeli cities then they would not be launching air strikes into Hamas targets. Also Hamas uses Palestinian citizens as shields by deploying their rocket batteries in populated areas and hide like cowards amongst civilians. Israel goes out of its way to only attack Hamas targets and even sends text messages and other warnings to Palestinian civilians that they will be targeting a specific building so innocent people can get out of the area.

If Israel was purposely trying to kill innocent Palestinians then the casualties would be much higher and they would just annihilate the whole West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You constantly put all the blame on Israel which has done more then its fair share to try and have peace with Palestine and you seem to put zero blame on the terrorist scumbags of Hamas. You say Israel has no evidence of who did it even so the world knows Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Do you really think Israel is going to or has to show every bit of evidence on an ongoing search for these cowards? You say Israel starts all air strikes which is far from the truth since they only fire air strikes in response to Hamas firing rockets at them.

They can be bitter all they want but the actions of Hamas will eventually cause much more harm to Palestine then if they ceased their terrorist actions and let things take their natural course. You do realize that if Israel did not want Palestine to exist then it would not exist. Honestly if it was not for the constant terror coming out of these territories that Palestine would most likely be autonomous and be its own country by now but that is not enough for Hamas, all they want is destruction of Israel.

The actions of Hamas are leading to all out war which will not be a good thing for Palestine. Sympathizers such as you should be calling for Hamas and any other people attacking Israeli interests to stop instead of making excuses for them and reversing the blame onto a country defending itself and its citizens from terrorists.

They do know who murdered those teenagers, Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme who are Hamas operatives. The Hamas political chief Khaled Mashaal openly blessed these 2 for doing it after he called for such actions weeks ago. The mother of one of the individuals also said she was proud of her son and hope he continues to elude capture. That in itself should tell you the mentality of Hamas.

Israel has no problem with peace otherwise they would of just invaded Palestine a long time ago and ended Hamas, we have no problem with a palestinian state but its Hamas who constantly call for the destruction of Israel which shows they have no desire of peace and do not want a Jewish state to exist. We will not sit idly by and let anyone continue to launch rockets towards our populated areas. We do not hide our rocket batteries next to schools and hospitals like Hamas does. We do not purposely launch rockets into non Hamas targets. We are not the aggesssors in this case but we will not tolerate attacks on our civilians.

The Palestinian people are doing nothing to stop Hamas and their terroristic actions and this is looking as it will lead to full blown war which Palestine and Hamas have no chance of winning.

If Israel did not want peace then their would not be a West Bank or Gaza strip, it would all be Israel. They have no issue with there being a state of Palestine, it is Hamas and its supporters who do not want a Jewish state to exist at all and constantly call for the destruction of Israel. So Ibrihim who really is discriminating over religion, it sure seems like Hamas is a lot more discriminatory then Israel is.

Hamas did kidnap them and murdered them, thats a fact, they even know who did it. The 2 suspects they are after so far are known members of Hamas. Plus Hamas been shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days. Time to get rid of them once and for all.

Your view is deluded if you think Hamas is nothing more then a terrorist organization.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/02/murdered-israeli-teens-moment-truth-for-abbas-obama/

The suspects mother says she is proud of him and hope he eludes capture and Hamas political chief blessed the abductors after calling for such actions


Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme, are the two Hamas operatives who are suspected of grabbing and murdering three of our Jewish children in Israel’s Gush Etzion.

All we have to know about the values of these two men can be summarized by the comment by Abu Aysha’s mother -- that if her son did take part in the kidnapping she was proud of him and hoped he would continue to evade capture.

The kidnapping/murders prove yet again that Hamas is nothing more than a murderous terror organization committed to Israel’s demise.

In truth we already knew the faces of the kidnappers: First and foremost-- Khaled Mashaal, Hamas political chief, who weeks after calling for such action, openly blessed the abductors of the three “soldier settlers,” as he referred to teenagers, Ayal, Naftali and Gilad.

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]

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Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/

Ok, 3 Israeli citizens have been killed and Hamas gets the blame. This is despite that their is no evidence pinning this accusation on Hamas. Your view is one of complete ignorance. You have been indoctrinated into believing that they are the true perpetrators.

Hamas did kidnap them and murdered them, thats a fact, they even know who did it. The 2 suspects they are after so far are known members of Hamas. Plus Hamas been shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days. Time to get rid of them once and for all.

Your view is deluded if you think Hamas is nothing more then a terrorist organization.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/02/murdered-israeli-teens-moment-truth-for-abbas-obama/

The suspects mother says she is proud of him and hope he eludes capture and Hamas political chief blessed the abductors after calling for such actions


Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme, are the two Hamas operatives who are suspected of grabbing and murdering three of our Jewish children in Israel’s Gush Etzion.

All we have to know about the values of these two men can be summarized by the comment by Abu Aysha’s mother -- that if her son did take part in the kidnapping she was proud of him and hoped he would continue to evade capture.

The kidnapping/murders prove yet again that Hamas is nothing more than a murderous terror organization committed to Israel’s demise.

In truth we already knew the faces of the kidnappers: First and foremost-- Khaled Mashaal, Hamas political chief, who weeks after calling for such action, openly blessed the abductors of the three “soldier settlers,” as he referred to teenagers, Ayal, Naftali and Gilad.

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/


Edit: Scumbags = Hamas

Israel launching a full offensive against Hamas finally after Hamas shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days and also trying to invade an Israeli beach from the sea. Bye bye Palestine.

Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Like i should believe someone who claims to be muslim but is using the name of a meth dealing caucasian american christian teacher. Allah would be so proud of you. How bout you go research mate, google muslim holidays and Ramadan shows up. Shame misled blokes like you try and pretend to be muslim cause you think it is cool to do.