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Battle Stats: The Top #100 · · 1,029 likes

Thanks all for the support since I started, it was a fun half a decade

When I was broke for a couple years there, maintaining this list and wanting to send out an SE to one of ya was one of very few things that kept me bothering to play Torn, so cheers!

I think its safe to say the Top 100 wouldn't look anywhere near as insane as it does today without this thread, so its cool to have been part of such an impact on the landscape of the game.

Ta

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Stocks FAQ · · 154 likes

Hi all, just want to answer some FAQs here in case they may be of use to someone. I'll update it as I think of / see more :)



Q1) How does the time progression towards benefits work?

Passive benefits require 7 days of time progression to activate. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER - DO NOT ACCIDENTALLY SELL SYS, TGP, TCP!

Active dividend benefits require 7 days or 31 days of time progression to mature before collection.

Time progression is added when the daily cron runs at midnight (00.00 TCT) each day. The cron has to run through the entire playerbase, starting with the lower IDs. It may take up to half an hour to get to the youngest accounts!

This means if you buy a benefit of FHG at 23.59 TCT, minutes later this will display "Ready in 6 days".



Q2) What is an "increment" and how do they work?

The number of increments of a particular dividend stock you own refers to the number of benefits you receive for each cycle of the payout frequency. If you own one increment of FHG, you will receive 1 FHC per week. If you own two increments of FHG, you will receive 2 FHCs per week.


Q2b) How much do increments cost?

Increments double in cost successively.

- The first increment of FHG costs 2,000,000 shares.

- The second increment of FHG costs 4,000,000 shares, for a total of 6,000,000 shares.

- The third increment of FHG costs 8,000,000 shares, for a total of 14,000,000 shares. So on and so forth.


Q2c) How many increments can I buy?

There is no maximum to the number of increments you may own.


Q2d) Can I buy increments for every stock?

Increments may only be purchased for active dividend stocks - NOT on passive benefits, such as WSU (education time reduction), TCB (increased bank interest), TGP (company advertising boost).


Q2e) What happens if I own one increment of a dividend stock, and then purchase another?

If you have not yet made time progression on the previous increment that you owned, it will be as if you bought multiple increments at the same time. When the daily cron runs at midnight (see Q1), time progression towards the multiple dividends will begin.

If you have made time progression on the previous increment that you owned, this will not reset, and you will not make any progression toward the additional increment until the first one fully matures. An example:

- You have owned one increment of FHG for 3 days. You now decide to purchase a second increment of FHG.

- After 4 more days, you will receive 1 FHC.

- After a further 7 days, you will receive 2 FHC.


You can choose to sell and re-buy both increments if you believe it to be worth it. This will reset the time progression so that it begins towards maturing multiple dividends.


Q2f) Can I collect dividends from a multiple-increment block separately?

No, when you collect a payout from a benefit block you will collect all benefits at once. For example if you have 4 increments in MCS, you will collect 400e simultaneously.



Q3) Can I "stack" stock dividends?

Alternatively, Can I save up multiple weeks worth of dividends and cash them all in at once?

No, you can't do this. Once a dividend has matured, you must collect it before you can begin progression towards another dividend.

Since the time progression cron runs at 00.00 TCT, you have a 24 hour window to collect without "losing" time progression.

If you do not collect a dividend, it will just sit there waiting to be collected - it will not be lost.



Q4) What happens if I collect energy from MCS or happiness from EVL, and I go over the maximum?

This energy or happiness WILL BE WASTED. Two example scenarios:

- If you have 3 increments in MCS (300e dividend), and collect when you are stacked with 800e, you will fill up to 1,000e and WASTE 100e

- If you have 11 increments in MCS (1100e dividend), you will WASTE at least 100e.



Q5) What happens with cash dividends that I withdraw? Do I get a check?

Any cash dividend you withdraw WILL BE DEPOSITED IN YOUR HAND. Be careful.

The same goes for selling stocks, this money is immediately deposited in your hand.



Q6) What is the fee that applies to my sales?

From the 20th April, any sale that you make will take a fee of 0.1% -- this is 1/1000th as a fraction. For example:

- You sell exactly $1,000,000,000 worth of shares. The fee for this is $1,000,000, so you will receive $999,000,000

This fee applies to the TOTAL amount you are selling, not just your profit.


Q6c) Is there also a fee for buying shares?

There is NO FEE FOR BUYING.



Q7) Do I have merge shares into a single block in order to receive a benefit?

Its true you can select different purchases of shares in order to "merge" them into a single line of data. However this is NOT necessary in order to receive a benefit from this.

For example, if you purchase 1,000,000 shares of FHG, and then another 500,000, and then a further 500,000, you will receive 1 FHC per week. It is unnecessary to have purchased these at the same time, or to have merged the purchases.

Win an SYM BB! · · 82 likes

I'm super bored so here's an RNG competition.

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Stock prices are listed to three decimal places. All you have to do is guess a three digit number (you can guess two or four digit numbers, but you'll lose!) and whoever is closest to the decimals on the price of SYM in three days will win a benefit block. I.e. for the picture above, the post "895" would win.

- This will run for the 09.30 TCT tick on Saturday morning.
- Posts close at 00.00 TCT on Saturday morning.
- One entry per person.
- No editing posts. If you edit at all, you must repost.
- If multiple people are "closest" but neither are exactly correct, the first poster will win.
- FHCs will be given to anyone within ± 10.
- Xanax will be given to anyone within ± 25.
- 1,290,014 shares will be awarded to (the first person) who gets it exactly correct, if anyone does.

A Halloween Post-mortem · · 1,050 likes

I want to start this thread by saying a massive, massive thank you. In the last ~48hrs I've received literally hundreds of messages on Torn and Discord from players all over the game, as well as dozens of very sweet people sending gifts and messages in my events. As you can imagine it's quite overwhelming and impossible to reply to even nearly everyone. I promise I will respond to everything anyone sent me - but in case that takes a while: It meant a lot, thank you.

 

Secondly, another thank you to CR. Knowing that I was going for a Summoning, and that a lot of griefing was coming my way from Monarch, without question all of my friends here willingly sacrificed doing a 100k chain this year - even those without the merit - so that I could get Early Discharge for a couple of days. I could not and would not have wanted to do this without them. 

 

Thirdly, shoutout to Heasley4Hemp. Thanks for being my friend, and inspiring me in this great race over the last 5 years. Good luck next year with your Summoning.

 

 

Many of the messages I received asked my thoughts on the event, as well as a selection of questions that popped up again and again, so here lie my general thoughts on Halloween and Summoning, structured erratically. 

 

 

Overall

 

Absolutely positive. Halloween is still Ched's greatest triumph, and that is honestly not in any way to diminish the rest of the game - it's just that great. It's an event where there is literally something for everyone, while also being engaging and active (instead of fairly passive, like the Easter Egg hunt for example). I hope that he continues to build upon the experience, with our help. And I hope that he enjoys it as much as we do, and understands our collective appreciation. 

 

 

The Good Stuff

 

The true NPC boss fights were amazing. I think, given how the current NPCs go with Loot Rangers, it was quite an achievement to create a boss fight that took the entire community almost a day to complete. And I think we got very nicely fortunate that I was able to Summon just before Halloween, so the fight could end on Halloween itself. Serendipity :)  The concept of "minions" and all the special abilities all of the NPCs had were fantastic. Regardless of loot, and whatever else, personally I had fun being involved in the huge fight when possible, and I do think many would agree. And having to organise in a big discord, it felt as exciting as the first year of Elimination. 

 

The concept of travelling to complete this huge mission, also a very nice one actually - I'm glad the shorter locations were chosen. I think this could have gone either way; if minions/M'aol spawned in South Africa I genuinely think the whole event would have been incredibly tedious - I hope the locations are kept the same, maybe in a random order. It's also possible this event goes well with whatever is eventually in store for Travel 2.0, so we'll see (yeah, remember Travel 2.0?). Anyway, we'll come back to travelling.

 

The shiny purple "Apocalyptic" basket is awesome, and ticks off one of my hopes - an ultra rare (currently 1/1) item that is ultimately untradable and has no function. But, this is a personal feeling, and we'll come back to that. The immunity to M'aol was a nice touch - I very much hope this is a permanent ability for a Summoner. It feels an appropriate reward for both the grind and the flavour of the event. Ultimately it didn't help me gain any loot, but would technically give someone a slight edge. Seems well balanced.

 

As of yet, I have no reason to believe the basket provides an additional treat collection bonus, based on my (fairly low) statistics:

 

 

 

 

 

Keeping the treats is a nice touch and this at a minimum feels "fair", honestly. We'll come back to that. 

 

The Relics that M'aol and his minions drop are awesome. I think they're great items that are a little OP, and in no-way game-breaking (yes, I'm using those terms with different definitions, sue me). They're never going to break the game. They're going to be mostly distributed to much smaller players, like Slots Jackpots, and if a top-end person randomly gets one - well, guess what, they're pretty much untouchable and have infinite energy as it is. But, we'll also come back to this. 

 

Streaming to 2000 people was absolutely insane for me, to be honest. I never expected to have so many people interested in my little slice of the game, it was quite amazing. Yes, that's right, I am British! Thank you all for being there. 

 

 

The Not So Good

 

 

For me, my biggest gripe is that this event highlighted how stupid the flight delay mechanic is, and more broadly how bad game balance is in some areas. OK, so you spend 5 years developing an event that will utilise travelling in a very strong way. And you in no way offer a defense against a cheap, purchasable job special that can delay flights by 2 hours each way, turning 8 minute trips into 2hr 8 minute trips. And when you spent money on a BCT, the flight lengths become effectively the same as if you hadn't spent any money...again with no defense. Free, easy griefing that ultimately can ruin what is supposed to be a community event for everyone. One flight delay (there and back) can cost you all 5 of the Minion NPCs - especially if the whole event starts as an unknown like this year (sure, next year I can fly to what we expect the 3rd location to be, or whatever). But that's 83% of the event gone for me, after 5 years of anticipation and grinding, for what cost someone who doesn't like me $12m. I think it's a shame; as much as the NPCs were great, only M'aol lasted long enough to survive a single flight delay. 

 

 

In the end, as a Summoner, you really do sacrifice 5 years for basically nothing. There's no enticement to make this event happen unless you like shiny useless objects like I do. I think grindy routes should be aspired to and rewarded in "forever games" like this one - it makes them worth playing! It's a bit of a pity to have almost nothing to show for it (even an honour bar, damn). In combination with it being super easy to grief someone out of most of the event, I don't think I would have bothered Summoning if I'd known this stuff ahead of time. And, I've mentioned it a few times, but while I did keep my treats - I would have made like 30% more had I not bothered with the grind! 

 

I think repeating the comments about "well we said it was bad" are nonsense. Many many resources were spent over many years of anticipation for this event. People grinding for the Summoning generated so much hype and awareness of torn that we celebrated our most active day of all time. The one thing that was absolutely hoped for, was that people would bother putting in the work to do this grind. You built upon our efforts. Payoff/reward for the grind or not, it's a little insulting to act like no one should have gone for it. 

 

I won't spend much time mentioning the lag over a couple of periods, but damn it if I don't understand how after all this time we can still be hearing the word "unexpected". 

 

The NPCs were great, but the weaponry felt a little damp-squib. Everyone got one, and in the end they were basically useless anyway. The mechanic could have been built in a way to ensure they were necessary, and honestly it would have been nice if the event was built in a way that the Summoner was necessary. The weapons were ultimately a let-down mechanic. 

 

I'm sure there are reasons for one Summoning a year - I'm not sure I understand them though. If people grind, why not let them do it? We take down NPCs multiple times in every periodic event (Scrooge, Easter Bunny etc). I'm sure some flavour text could be thought of to make it make sense. Why make it so there will eventually be a queue? Or why, instead of preventing the queue, suggest we'll be able to trade in as many treats as we want? That sounds great to me, sitting on 8.5k treats - but that is over powered.

 

Finally - the Relics. They're amazing, and the powers are a nice addition to the game imo. But where are the drawbacks? These are superpowers from a spooky halloween monster. You get to re-read books infinitely with a special eye? Awesome - but now you're half blind, so you miss 50% of hits regardless of your stats. You get doubled regenerating bars (energy, nerve, life, happy)? Great - but the tentacle makes you feel sick and hyperactive if any of them ever become full, causing hospital times, reduced stats, reduced crime success rates etc.

 

 

Finally..FAQs.

 

 

What does your basket look like? 

 

Like this! I have the first fully upgraded Halloween basket.

 

 

 

Did you get anything special for being the Summoner? 

 

I think being a Summoner in general makes you immune to M'aol's harm. I hope it's a gained ability and not a one-off, or that's extra disappointing. Aside from that, nope. The basket appears to be the same as Nightmarish.

 

 

But you got to keep the treats? Will you exchange them?

 

Yes I did! And yes I will, once I make it back to 9999 I'll do one big exchange and post the log somewhere next year.

 

 

Is it possible to go beyond 9999 treats?

 

Nope! When I was at 9999 treats, I did not get Mortal Coil or Inflation. When I made an attack, I did not get a treat. And when Heasley4Hemp reached 9991, on the hour he received 8 treats from Inflation (instead of 9 or 10).

 

 

Will you Summon Him again?

 

I can't, you can only Summon once.  And if I could, I probably wouldn't go for it again (assuming I had to grind up again). 

 

 

 

 

Thanks all! Happy Halloween.

A Decade. Cheers. · · 615 likes

Hello!

 

Ten years ago today I was 18 years old. I was sat at home between Christmas and New Year, slipping in and out of a food coma and bored and looking for something to do that didn't involve eating. A friend of mine had messaged me earlier that morning, and I remembered that in secondary school he was always playing some dumb browser game in the library during IT lessons. So I signed up to TORN.

 

I'm a pretty drippy nostalgic person as it is, and thinking back over the decade that followed, just so many things have happened both in and out of the game. 

 

 

 

 

Not sure I've got another decade in me, but there's still some stuff I'd like to achieve in Torn so who knows :)

 

Thanks for sharing over a third of my life with me!

 

<3

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Multiple tables per level · · 1 like

Yeah as I said I'm not stuck on one way vs the other, actually anything that further prevents ratholing is sort of preferable to me. If the more common experience is that switching tables is also not allowed (same stake obviously) then we will look at maintaining this across the duplicates too! 

Multiple tables per level · · 1 like

I thought about this before we pushed, but I came to the opposite conclusion. In the end it's a different table even if it's the same stake/size, making it a different game. In a real casino if I win 200 blinds, I can move to the table 3 feet away and min-buy if I want to. Ultimately I'm not rat-holing money from the set of players I just won it from. 

 

Open to changing my mind but this is my experience in casinos as well as places like PokerStars 

Multiple tables per level · · 2 likes

Yep! 

 

With the massively increasing playerbase it was definitely time. I have been pushing for a little while. 

 

But, it will remain limited at 5 tables (although I doubt we'll often reach it) as a slight protection on games breaking too often. 

Multiple tables per level · · 1 like

Your logic is correct yes, although I should correct that it should be: original, then II - "I" should not exist but it's a mistake currently xD

Multiple tables per level · · 1 like

Multiple empty duplicate tables will not exist.

 

II will only exist if the original is full, III will only exist if original + II are full ,etc.

 

At least this is the plan, if it is broken and you observe please feed back :)

Multiple tables per level · · 1 like

Will ask a dev thanks

Multiple tables per level · · 55 likes

Hello all, 

 

Today we have finally pushed a change to the table logic. If a table at any level becomes full, a second (and third, fourth, fifth) will open up.

 

These will be named "River Wizard II", "River Wizard III", "River Wizard IV", "River Wizard "V"

 

The UI may be a bit janky and annoying while we figure it out, but enjoy any how!

TSOP beta bugs/issues/etc · · 5 likes

Hello!

 

Thanks everyone that will be participating in a decent sized beta test of the TSOP tournament, organised by WeedPsycho and co. 

 

In this thread, please comment any issues and/or bugs that you experience while playing and/or "stewarding". 

 

If you have suggestions on formatting/structure/aesthetics I can't promise any changes will be made but those comments are welcome here too, and please upvote any that you strongly agree with.

25M Progressive Multi-Stage Poker Tournament (Registrations Open) · · 3 likes

Hello everyone. Id like to thank you all for signing up for this beta test! I hope it'll be a lot of fun and a good indication of whats to come on a larger scale officially organised by Torn. 

 

Any problems with the tournament at all please make it known in the thread I will put up once the tournament starts. I can't make promises for suggestions on format or aesthetics but you should post those anyway, but certainly any critical bugs in the way the tournament plays out, these will be very meaningful for me and the developers.

 

Thanks again, enjoy!

 

Link: https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=69&t=16569288&b=0&a=0

How do Focus and Sure Shot compare? · · 1 like

It makes some simplifying assumptions but should give you an idea.

How do Focus and Sure Shot compare? · · 3 likes

Hello, perhaps this is helpful: https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=3&t=16332883&b=0&a=0&start=0&to=23502513

 

I can run other examples/combinations of values, or provide the code.

Collusion · · 6 likes

definitely normal behaviour. you are A Normal Person Well Adjusted Person. For Sure

Collusion · · 2 likes

try and find some inner peace . would be shame to watch you have a coronary 

Collusion · · 2 likes

Yes you definitely seem like a nice normal person that I want to engage with further and not a raging lunatic 👍 

Collusion · · 3 likes

Sure yeah I'll send you some real world info instead of you just simply proving anything on a neutral ground where it would be much easier to prove yourself. Except you haven't because you can't.

 

If you understood anything about poker you wouldn't be bragging about how much you're up in such a short time frame, that sure is the mark of an idiot. I don't really give a shit who is someone or not, all I really did was ask for evidence of claims you're making and all you do is distract from the point. 

 

Also yes, Thundergod is a good player, and he plays on Fire Pit etc, like most of the top players actually do. And he's the one you accused of colluding, because you're an idiot.

Collusion · · 2 likes

I've played or play on many tables, so this is simply not a thing that I said whatsoever.

 

But I know poker and this game and these tables very well, and I know when someone like Prevalence is just spouting shite because they have zero idea what they're talking about.