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10* Lingerie Store [HIRING] make 60m+ a week! · · 2 likes

I feel silly for asking this question, but! what does this mean?

 

Around 40m a month tax, one of The lowest In 10* but could change if needed

 

Thanks!

The History of My Family · · 2 likes

Well written.  Very well written.  You rarely hear this kind of story.

 

Gotta know -- is that THE Paul Volker?

New Beck Single · · 1 like

Julian Assange · · 1 like

What crime?

After 7 Years of Escapades... (Healthcare Reform) · · 1 like


First off and foremost, here's the price index for Healthcare in America. There's historic data as well:

http://www.milliman.com/mmi/

As of March 6th, repeal/replace documents have the American public in a tizzy***:

Untitled: http://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a-70de-d2c6-a7db-78ff707e0000

Ways & Means: https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/03.06.17-Section-by-Section.pdf

A summary of the linked .pdfs:

https://www.axios.com/trumpcare-whats-in-whats-out-2303469641.html



So... um... WTF are we going to do to control the costs of healthcare... still?

***[Any spiraling topics on O'bummer or the "weak shall suffer what they must" is just poor form.]

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Special Items w/subscription ·

I didn't realize you could sort the logs!

 

Thank you.  Mystery solved.

Special Items w/subscription ·

How are these delivered?

 

I've been subscribed for a whole month, I understand that there's no "donator pack," but what about the special item?

 

I feel silly, but I can't see anything new.

donator packs - 24mil each, warlord rental · · 1 like

Bumping as a happy trader.

CEO of UnitedHealth gunned down · · 2 likes

I didn't challenge your loose grasp of grammar, I challenged the tenuous position that you danced around Lenin about.  Instead of answering the challenge, you came back with a "crackhead" -- are you a DNC strategist?  Ad Hominem responses are all they ever work with.  If not, consider refreshing your resume and call your rich uncle for a hefty dose of nepotism.  I'm sure you'll go far.

 

Murder by way of a thousand papercuts is far more atrocious than a clean shot to the head.

If I'm hated that much by the people I "serve," my God, shoot me down.

 

Status quo is built into every single system ever designed by man or nature. It's inescapable that systems will function how they've always functioned until the input changes.

 

How do social systems crumble?  When they've ossified to the point that they're positively inept at responding to crises/demands of those that function in said system.  There's your status quo.  Privatized health insurance is crumbling, they cannot continue to show higher and higher profits, quarter after quarter, without extracting the last bit of value from every stakeholder in the enterprise.  Don't tell me, "that's how it's always been."  f**k that.  And f**k the resignation that makes people think like you.

 

There is a consensus on how to change our approach to healthcare: nationalize it.  Like every other industrialized country on this planet.

 

Furthermore, you don't like what the sociologists have to say regarding Policy Analysis?  Okay, maybe it was too verbose for you.  Instead of focusing on politicians, they focused on policies over the span of decades.  There's a huge difference between the personality cults surrounding partisan patsies and the systematic corruption of national policy-decisions.

 

Then again, I'm the idiot that can reference a larger sampling than an individual politician's favorability rating.

 

Go figure.

CEO of UnitedHealth gunned down · · 2 likes

While Lenin countered this assertion back with patience, I can't believe this is what "debate" has come to -- even on P&L Forum on Torn!

 

That's the basis of the objection to a collapsing medical care system?  Seriously?  "We can't come to a consensus!"  Of course we can't.  Your "point-scoring" is full of double-negatives, horrific typos and abbreviations used like punctuation... I had a high school history teacher that harped on establishing clear positions before engaging the opposition.  You have no position, much less a hypothesis.  I used to think it was an arduous approach to debate, but after reading these 3 pages, my God!  I should apologize to that man for tolerating my contrarianism!

 

You might've been age six or seven for the Bernie Sanders campaign in 2016.

 

There is a consensus on American-style healthcare: profits before people is murder by way of a computer.

In 2024, a murderer was absolved of his crime by the court of Public Opinion.

Do you know why?

 

Because we've all suffered the corruption of privatized Health Care in the United Corporations of America.

 

"What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it."

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Animated Signatures · · 2 likes

Totally bumping this.

10* Lingerie Store [HIRING] make 60m+ a week! · · 2 likes

I feel silly for asking this question, but! what does this mean?

 

Around 40m a month tax, one of The lowest In 10* but could change if needed

 

Thanks!

The History of My Family · · 2 likes

Well written.  Very well written.  You rarely hear this kind of story.

 

Gotta know -- is that THE Paul Volker?

Curation or Censorship:Texas Library Removes Books · · 1 like

"I can still buy it on the web, so it's not banned."

For how long?

 

How long before that online record is updated to omit one book or another based on "profanity" or "sexually explicit" reasons?  How long before it's just, "out of print"?  Or the market makes it cost-prohibitive?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/0962303208

 

How many times has this taken place in history?

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/history-of-book-bans-in-the-united-states

 

With all of the echo-chambers, this is a touchy topic no matter which side of the political spectrum you identify with.  But the McCarthy era in the United States set the framework for challenging book's placement in libraries (the number one purchaser of books by volume, nationwide) and it would seem that this cycling of culture wars has returned to us.  The targets change (Civil War Perspectives, Communists; LGBT), but the method is the same: censorship.  It's a way to chill discourse and alter prevailing narratives.

 

Sometimes, it's an uppity governor:

https://www.zinnedproject.org/if-we-knew-our-history/indianas-anti-howard-zinn-witch-hunt/

 

Sometimes, it's a warranted concern of a parent.

https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw9p24BhB_EiwA8ID5BrzjYA1ytHcuetsTp4aGUJg-EBHljgF5_D4M4XPKNhmn9KdqjZffORoCgdcQAvD_BwE

 

Now I'm a mother in rural New Mexico.  I'm an engaged one, too, where neighbors' kids come to gossip and discuss how ludicrous school can be and how their grade-school (former) friend now wears a fox-tail every day.  I don't want these kids reading about teen pregnancies or drugs or ****.  But I know that they're encountering these stories via social media because they're talking about it.  Thus, having these books in a public library available for kids' perusal is the best hands-off approach to touchy topics because of forbearance.

 

You may agree that these are inappropriate books at the public library for now, but what happens when "inappropriate" includes your beliefs/upbringing/faith?

 

Toni Morrison put it best:

 

“[Banning] stuck me as a purist yet elementary kind of censorship designed to appease adults rather than educate children. Amputate the problem, band-aid the solution.”

Norman Finkelstein: October 7th Revisited ·

Hardly irrelevant.

 

Inconvenient?  Sure. 

 

Inconceivable that one state may fund another state's abhorred regime, but hey! the US popularized that tactic during the Marshall Plan and on through Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria.  What's the old joke about oxymorons and military intelligence?  I know people resent the joke, but this paradox proves its relevance.

 

Ben-Gurion, one of the lauded leaders out of fledgling Israel, contended that ethnic cleansing was the only way to establish the ethno-state they required in the Near East.  Hamas vows to obliterate that ethno-state, but as Ben-Gurion foresaw.  They weren't the only two parties in this game and having this back and forth argument between "who is more evil" makes it disingenuous.

 

This debate isn't intended to resolve anything.  I've participated in it for years.  It's virtue signaling from either side.

US AUS Banning TIKTOK · · 1 like

...at which companies' behest?

Race In America · · 1 like

I was making the case for class and self-awareness that labor needs to undergo. Marx was a great critic of capital -- not a problem-solver for its crises. The fact that a few black men/women got corporate jobs does not absolve the way the rest of the underclass is treated in the job market.

I don't see where anything was half true in my opinion. You assigned the lack of good, well-paying jobs to competing with overseas wages. I agree. I simply said that those jobs have been given to temporary, intermittent workforce which was predominately an "affirmative action" role: immigrants and minorities. That's where all of the manufacturing jobs went: sub-par wages and "flexible" positions.

They've undercut the value of labor to buy stocks and speculate on their future worth. Industry has devalued labor to the point that even the white working class needs those same jobs.

Race In America ·

I don't think black wealth ever rose to the level of white wealth in the US of A. It's not that black labor started taking more of the collective pie, it's that there's been less to go around. They were never meant to.

"Last to be hire, first to be hired" has been a mantra regarding that demographic in America.

The current economic system is so strapped in terms of labor's value that the white working class and the black working class are vying for the same positions. This economic system has been developed this way to ensure continuity of credit. The underclass have served the "flexibility of the workplace" so that certain demographics felt "safe" from the job-loss experiences by the black demographic -- now all jobs have to be flexible (read: temporary/low wage/no benefits) and at-will.

As the system fails to provide gainful employment for a wider swathe of society, the distinctions between race/class are becoming muddled.

Hence why #BlackLivesMatter has a colourful assortment of allies that can now empathize.

Church Maskless Covid Party Kills a high risk teen · · 4 likes

The cultish mindset of modern (prosperity) Christians is due to their apocalyptic fervor. This "plague" is biblically predicated. She may not have had the critical thinking skills to question her parents (and her own) belief set at 17-years-old.

I know, because I was raised in a Crisis Cult.
That's how they sell their doctrine. It's called, "magical thinking."

This particular case is egregious, BUT, with how the American gov't has behaved in my lifetime -- I always assume that they are lying. It's a helluva time trying to figure out which part is a lie. Everybody does this in one arena or another.

Blaming the COVID-19 crisis on the Drumpf is asinine and magical thinking on a whole different level.

In short: empathize. The blame game will do us no good.

Egg in an impossible location to click ·

I went to report this issue too and felt that this post matched my problem. I am on Firefox on a PC -- but Chrome had that problem via mobile.


The eggs are "falling behind" the boxes/blocks for cascading information like Player Lists (Chrome Mobile) and just now, on the Newspaper. I saw the yellow egg and it vanished as soon as the block for the stock ticker appeared (Firefox/Windows). I was able to recover the player list one in Chrome Mobile (pink egg) down near the very bottom (it originally appeared on the top under the horizontal navigational bar), but was unable to get the yellow egg just now.

Unique's Trading Corner! Best of the Bunch! · · 1 like

Another happy customer. Unique wished to be online (at the same time) due to the size of the transaction. Snappy and mug-free!

OTK Buying - SE||DP||FHC||Cans||Flowers||Plushie · · 1 like

Snappy and good-humored trade -- no mug!

Two thumbs up.

What is ANTIFA? ·

During the mass protests in 2010, a group of anarchists spread far and wide and back then, they were called the "Black Bloc." A few years later, the branding of the left dubbed these fringe attendees as "Anti-Fascists." Every movement has them: 5%-10% of the 'driven' protesters are violent.

The advent of the internet has connected us and with those connections come the cliques; which, ironically, serve to isolate. Where I live, I see the calling cards of the 3% (III, variations on the Punisher icon, the tear drop) and they're active militia members. Some have even caught headlines. I don't think any one clique is well-organized across the nation -- but they do dominate regions.

They're neither good nor bad. Violence plays into the hand of a militarized police and can be a considerable detriment to movements, even if the vast majority practice non-violence.

I see Antifa as a group that are pissed off, just like the 3%. We all have good reason to be pissed.

Social Security: The Boomer Pill ·

"if anything would motivate me to run for state office, its this issue."

Even 900 billion would've made a dent in 2009 for the USA. Instead, the money went into the bankruptocracy of private capital and states (countries in europe) had to borrow from the banks. These negative interests rates translated into inflation as States/Countries went underwater to float debt.  Of course they've resorted austerity.  Meanwhile, there's a "credit crunch" for the tax-payer that's earning less than what a similar skill did in the 1980s.

That's why social security/medicare are in trouble.  So are pensions.  The US of A suffers from a contraction in Labor's share as congresscritters pander to ideologies.  States (i.e. governments) can't raise taxes because the burden of the cost will fall on voters, already overtaxed.  Without a massive jobs plan (infrastructure bill) and putting surplus labor to work with higher wages to alleviate this "credit crunch," the bubble is going to burst.

In short, Tolshortte, you have my vote.

Social Security: The Boomer Pill · · 4 likes

Fractional Reserve Banking has laid this SS debacle to rest, I won't say much else regarding a solution outside of lifting the income tax cap.

I will say that aside from Nightmare, here, whose nihilistic ideals will kill off more people than he can afford -- the rest of us do not want fists, blood and faces in the mud over this. We pay into it because some day, we'll need it, too.

We are a nation of debt, indeed.  The easy credit has dried up.  People cannot afford to retire, younger still, we can't save money because of stagnate wages.  Credit forecasts our wages years into the future.  Most of us are one medical condition from bankruptcy.  If people can't afford savings, or retirement or anymore lines of credit, the system breaks.  Money must circulate in order to create wealth.

Wages will bankrupt us faster than the broadcast horizon of social security.  We need jobs to bail it out.  We need medical care unattached to employment.  Furthermore, we need a future not beholden to speculators -- not adding the federal accrual rate to their piles of pillage.