briceFM: forum

i would like to start off by saying i have nothing against Wunda and his practices, i am just reporting what has happened to me and something to lookout for (sorry for the big images; i wanted to leave everything as unedited as possible.)


So I was looking to sell an injury cashe I got from torn sub, so I looked at his pricelist, took a screenshot, and began the trade; he accepted a few minutes later, and I checked the receipt, and it had dropped from 22 to 15! very odd.

So I ask him why, and he insists i am somehow reading it wrong. So I go back and look at his price list, and lo and behold, it's dropped to 15 million (a low ball compared to the market, very strange), so I send him the screenshot, and he insists I'm on the wrong page.
So I call him out; he insults me and cancels the trade.

screenshots below, please share your thoughts. I understand he is well respected, so i hope he was just having a bad day.

Edit: before reaching any conclusions and calling me an crybaby, this thread has shown he has done this multiple times and on more than one occasion it HAS worked to squeeze more money out of the customer while convincing them they are the ones who miss read the pricing. Is it a scam? Ehh. Is a bait and switch a scummy move to pull that can potentially drain new players for millions at a time? Yes.

Edit again: not looking for torn karma, looking to show people wundas actions so they can reach their own conclusions.
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latest fun update: wunda or a friend has seen i am looking for trainings and has now put actual slanderous bounties on me saying i scam trainings...right.. he has purchased probably around 460 bounties but goes to show they would rather get revenge than admit fault. But hey its your public image do what you like with it

good example of real slander though cheers lads.
Keep the bounties coming ;)
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UPDATE:
got 10 bounties and only 2 relevent people disliked this post.. hmmm.

i have a networth of 3 bil (not much but im proud) the 3 mil he tried to snag isnt the problem here and idont understand what you arent proccessing about that

smooth exit, ignore the problem insult everyone and leave. solid choice.

honestly if he had said sorry that price isnt up to date i would have said thats fair enough can we meet in the middle perhaps? but he flat out insisted i was wrong, very dissapointing.

I see how you reached that conclusion but it happened more like
hey dude why is the price 15mil not 22 mil?
No it wasn't.
But I saw it
It was not that price
I have proof right here
f**k off pest idc
Just distasteful. Your version of events shows how a reasonable person would react I agree that is the ideal situation

slander by definition lying with the intent to cause harm to someones reputation, my intention here is awareness for the rest of the community for a risk, because of something he did actually say so yes you did accuse me of lying, in the screenshot you posted infact.
you cant blame me for speaking about something that happened, its honestly strange to me you are willing to die on this hill of me being in the wrong.

lastly i have no interest in his reputation, why would i?.

all i have done is say how i feel and told the truth.

If that is true and this had no affeff on you then you have no reason to make this thread apart from to be even more of an asshole so.. Nice!

We are litterally chilling rn he lost some happy and he moved back in we know each other so it's not that deep

He can say what he likes he has his own ass to look after. I don't have a bigger screenshot than that because that's all I was given but you keep saying "proven liar" when you haven't proven anything. Unless I was supposed to see your dms with Elisabeth.I'm not asking anyone to stand up for me and get attacked by you as well. My one single goal is for you to come out of this as someone that considers their actions at least a little. I can admit that I couldn't see if your intent was to either trick me or was an actual pricing mistake, I do know your reaction was one of deciet and that is as as far as I can tell, undeniable.
You Could have apologised and this wouldn't have happened but you preferred this outcome.

i havent made up anything from the start thats all you.
as for whatever he said about me it convinced you to leave him alone so
you didnt stop bountying him immediately it was two sets of i think 50 bounties, in the christmas event mind you and a divorce before you let him go.

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looks like you are lying again and you still have nothing on me but words
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don't ask questions about real life the whole reason i got banned was because im not getting real life involved on this game for any reason.

i think theres a difference between reacting and caring if you bounty me alot im gonna block the bounties for convenience but that doesnt mean i care

not once did i lie, i have messages from 2 companies one of which you managed to actually scare,and my real life mate you started bountying for just knowing me and being housed by me, the screenshots where you begged me to takedown my forum post before starting up the bounties again, the chats where you promised you werent making the bounties before making this thread when i joined a security company, then the chats where i said one person you were bountying was doing nothing but getting a free house where you just insulted me and blocked me. you however have no proof but some screenshots where i called you the liar you are.

also the thing about buying out injury cashes and scouring for sellers to blackmail was downright schitzo iv only even had maybe 2 in my inventory ever, and at the time you were the only seller i messaged probably that month?

man is this salty over a forum post from 3 months ago because i posted him trying to trick me started attacking anyone i know,faction job anyone he could. including a guy who i was housing in my pi who litterally did nothing. sadly for him i only come on every so often to train gym and take part in wars (i bring in free outside hits from the bounties he sets, free instant discharge from hosp in wars)
he thinks he's going to make me quit the game but its litterally an online browser game im only active for a few mins per day, really he is just giving away free money. my post clearly impacted him enough to need to do this meaning people have at least been warned about his tricks

https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=17&t=16308163&b=0&a=0&start=0&to=23023253 original post being refered to (check that like to dislike tho)
the fact he's willing to go this far just to upset me and thinks he can call me petty is hilarious
instead of just saying he made a mistake he decided this was the best course and it kind of looks like this is a reocurring theme for him


free money though lads glhf

that wouldnt that wouldnt make sense either it has to stay nerve but you are right its is not are

true, and not the subject of the error

as an example to think about the number is a "volume" and the noun is the the item the volume is refering to so lets consider

your 150ml of milk are ready
your 150ml of milk is ready

consider it

did you read the post lol its still nerve but its "nerve is" not "nerve are"

i believe it is called a singular indefinate pronoun.

edit: wrong thing its a collective noun

i posted 3 seperate screenshots of the chat without a middle part with no relevency to my point. there is no "editing" or "stiching together" going on

edit: you know people are allowed to disagree with you and you dont have to take it personally and call them idiots right?

You know you can't just say "strawman argument" with no explanation and think that means anything it's just saying "no you are wrong" with special words.

To be clear I had an understanding of why he might drop the price however he still dropped the price by 7 million to 15mil when market was still 20-21mil which still means he was trying to drag it out of me specifically by changing the trade on the go and then lying about changing it. Please not he didnt deny the lying he just said"u felt backed up" no shit you got caught anyone who has been caught will describe it like that.

As you can see, this is where Brice admits he knows my price list was higher than market ,brice knows i was offering one of the best prices and looking at my baazar that isnt something i tend to do

it also shows me knowing Brice is just trying to take advantage of a mistake in my price list and me not denying anything it shows brice is now very annoyed i tried to lie about changing the price and wants to know why i couldnt just say it was a pricing mistake.


It then shows Brice basically blackmailing me it also shows brice telling me he is done with my lies and is going to tell others
and thats when I get pissed off and the abuse starts. Oh so strange, that this specific part was left out.


Do you know how many people I get when they see a mistake on my price list, going and buying loads of those items and trying to sell them to me.. hoping I didn’t realise it and pay well over market.

As for the buzzword of the thread, gaslighting.. at this point, my back was up and i wanted him gone o i knew i shouldnt have lied but its too late to take it back. I had already cancelled the trade and knew he was trying to pull one over on me i canceled the trade before he got to knowing i needed somthing to fight back with later Sorry if i don't feel like explaining myself to someone trying to take advantage of me and then subsequently blackmailing me.

EDIT: Just to add, its not like i sneakily changed the price in the trade without telling him. I directly sent my man the price to agree! i sent a reciept to finalise the trade without saying anything thats literally the first link in the first print screen and first thing said between us.

You offered high but still market price then dropped it way below of course I'm going to know what you are doing

this is what it looks like to me

we wont reach 500 likes thread will die before that

guess you'll never know

hey guys remember to like and subscribe if this post hits 500 likes we will make a second post about gasslighting !

another 40 bounties in all caps LIAR xDDD they really think i care about the bounties they set. just shows their malace about the truth in turn making them look more like bad people. i mean they know i have 500k battle stats they know he changed the price just embarassing at this point

i pmed people for this post, mainly to laugh with them or to help them understand if they commented something like "i dont understand how"

lets not get into this again please
f**ksake XD

2 bounties from midnight_trader on me saying "guilty of scamming" and im guessing their "proof" is the screenshot.. interesting take, lets see what the comunity thinks.

lets not go there even if hes lying it doesnt prove anything. he doesnt need to prove he was busy he is here now.