I feel obligated to warn you, that making the higher stars (6-7+) will likely be a difficult slog, seeing as you don't have the business management education course completed which means none of the bonuses from it are available to your company since you're so new. And since you don't have the stock blocks, you might get hacked and money stolen from the company. But seeing as you don't care about profits and only about getting work stats up? Then you should absolutely do it. Best spot to aim for would be at least 5 stars since that means whomever is boss would be getting 50 in all stats and only 4 days in full to get 20 trains to dump in one go or just 5 trains to use per day. If you can get up to 10 stars though, so much the better. Good luck with the company, man!
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PREFACE: THIS IS SIMPLY HOW I SEE IT. AND SORRY THAT THIS IS LONG AND RAMBLY. I'M PROBABLY MISSING SOME IDEAS/POINTS.
The problem is, in my own opinion as a not quite noob (I think...?), is that at the lower levels that aren't enough things to do. Especially interesting things/games or for events/games instant gratification/morale. Torn...doesn't really have a hook so to speak, but it's survived this long because Chedburn started in the early 2000s giving it a major boost over most (If not all) of Torn's competition and a hardcore player base so it hasn't really needed it since it can rely on that player base to bring in the money. However, for newly joining people, who either come in expecting it to be like every other mafia/text-based game out there or are having their first mafia/text-based experience, the lack of a hook throws them off I think. That and the lack of instant gratification or morale building things to do. I mean, there's the Casino, but you only go there to lose.
Take Mafia Wars on Facebook as an example. When it was around, it was very much a click in and get out game if you played by yourself (Though they had their own clan wars and worldwide events as well and there was still plenty to do outside of missions), but there was still progression in missions. You could see yourself improving with every mission, with every "storyline", even if you didn't necessarily take the time to read the words the evidence of your progression was right there in front of you. Humans are very visual creatures, so they like to see the progression, they like to see themselves improving, getting to that next level or next gated mission/location/event.
And then there are the waiting times for everything. Now, Education makes sense. But for energy, which is Torn's #1 most important thing/bar/resource/whatever you want to call it, taking 4 hours just to be able to regain 100 e doesn't seem worth it. Waiting an hour to get 15 Nerve is just as bad. And that's as a level one. You come in here all fired up looking to use your e and nerve and you use them in training or attacking or doing missions or whatever...and then you look at the regen clock. 4 hours just for 100 e. In Mafia Wars I could've had over 1k energy/stamina. It'd take me forever to fill it up, but I'd always have some energy or stamina after just 4 hours depending on my Class and refills for either was easy enough to get if you had the friends.
So you look around for other things to do on Torn...and there's nothing much to do. You can't race or play the stock market because you need to cough up about 3,750,000 to buy the License/Ticker for a combined 75 points, you can't fly, you can't buy anything from the shops in Torn because of the 100 item limit you didn't know about until too late, you can't join chat because people will bounty the sh*t out of you for no reason or just flat-out attack you, jobs require no effort beyond signing up so they're done in the background and you might as well forget them, etc... The only thing you can do is risk the casino and even then you can only do it for a limited number of things until you unlock the wheels and other stuff at level 7 for a limited number of times (75) or until you lose all your money on a risky bet. And then at best you're out of sh*t to do or worse, out of sh*t to do and money and you've no way to make any except wait the 4 long hours it takes to regain 100 e or 1 hour for 15 n.
Even if you manage to hit level 10, all you've managed to do is unlock more ways to lose your money in the Casino, companies, and Duke. Now, the Duke missions can provide you with a distraction, but only if you have e or manage to pull the lucky mission where you just have to send a word to some rando without wasting any e. And the problem is, you've likely already used your e in attacks or trains. And the companies are out of your reach because they require time, effort, money, business education, and/or stocks that you likely don't have. So even if you officially have access to it, it still feels unofficially gated to you.
So you're back to square one, where you can't do squat. You're frustrated. You've finally hit level 10 (Or whatever) after X days, and whatever else happened to you in the intervening time. And yet you still can't do anything because anything that can be done needs e and there's no way to speed up or increase your e/e regen beyond becoming a donator/subscriber. But you don't have the IGM to buy a pack or the IRL money to do so, which makes you feel stuck. And you're tired of feeling like you don't have any progression, that you're not really getting anywhere and you don't have anything to distract you on Torn waiting for those 4 hours to pass by, and you slowly stop coming. Or perhaps immediately quit. Either way, Torn and you have split and moved on.
Torn does not have such a thing as "visible progression". With Torn, you (Unless you fly to China and pay the fortune teller which only 15+ can do and most noobs never get that far) have no idea how close or how far away you are from leveling up or reaching the next tier of you NNB which most people don't like, you don't have missions beyond the original George entry missions and the missions from Duke (Which, AFAIK, most people don't even bother to do) and the Duke missions don't give off the feeling of progression beyond perhaps reaching the merit, and once you hit 15 and get the Travel Agency, that's all there is to be unlocked. Then progression stalls massively, unless you're a numbers nerd and like seeing your stats climb, or like d*ck waving contests where you pit your stats against others for the sake of being called #1, or money because you're secretly an accountant IRL. Progression in Education and Work Stats are so in the background that it's laughable to even say it matters.
"Aren't seeing stats or levels go up enough for visible progression?" you might wonder. It may be for some, but it's not enough for the majority of newbies. After all, they're never gonna catch up with the guys who've been around for 10+ years and are still going strong. And unless you're lucky enough to maintain a steady cash-flow somehow in your early days to gain a PI, your numbers will be a slow crawl which is not what newbies like or look towards. Similarly enough for levels.
"But wait!" you might also say. "What about the factions and the forums? What about the chains and territory wars?" or as the awards whores might cry out in anguish, "But the achievements, honors, merits?!". Most people do not come to their games looking to dig into 46 different sections of forums before further digging into thousands of different threads in search of something entertaining for themselves, most of which either repeat the same old shit or talk about things a newbie wouldn't know or have an opinion on or it's some dude sh*tting on another dude. Most people do not expect to need to dig for "how to" guides for a game or needing Excel spreadsheets just to barely compete. Most newbies don't even have the stats factions demand or to deal with enemy members or the abilities to chain/help in a territory war either if they even have the inclination and fewer still have the inclination to start one up. And most people today don't care about sticking around for the achievements unless they love the shit out of a game.
"Torn is a Marathon, not a Sprint" has been championed time and time again. There is truth in that saying after all. And most people are actually fine with that. There are games out there where people set aside hours for simple exploration or what have you. What they aren't fine with is the seeming lack of progression and structure and the very limited amount of things to do compared to modern games. But that's not Torn's biggest problem. It's Torn's e. It tries to do a little too much for too little. It tries to be attacks (Or sluttings) and trains. And it takes forever to regen when you don't have the money for a refill in the points building, for Xanax, for Cans, etc... 4 hours might not seem like a lot in a day, but that's 12 hours of the day doing nothing when you've used up 300 e in attacks, trains, or in the pursuit of Duke's missions in less than 5 minutes. That's half a day and the average person stays awake for about 15 and a half hours. That makes it nearly a full day awake and you had to manage to hit Torn a minimum of 3 times a day with minimal or no distractions/IRL problems. For someone who's just joined up and doesn't have the good fortune to make friends or was brought in a by a friend to help them make it through the slog, this game is a lifetime with very little to show for it or distract from it.
Tl:dr; Torn runs on a different mentality from modern games and the inertia of the old crowd and has no "hook". Torn is very much extremely delayed gratification, has no sense of progression, limited things to do especially in the early stages and has limited to no structure beyond the internal game politics and Chedburn's changes. So it's hard for new people to come in because if you're not brought in by a friend or get don't lucky in friends and help on Torn, you're mostly sh*t out of luck of a quick way to get out of the slog or make Torn fun for you. Unless you're a whale in which case you're a lucky bastard and can buy your friends or shoot your way up the rankings.
Today's gamers want to see visible progression, they want to see new things often as possible, and they want tons of options amongst other things. If they don't have such things, they're likely to be discouraged by Torn.
The problem is, in my own opinion as a not quite noob (I think...?), is that at the lower levels that aren't enough things to do. Especially interesting things/games or for events/games instant gratification/morale. Torn...doesn't really have a hook so to speak, but it's survived this long because Chedburn started in the early 2000s giving it a major boost over most (If not all) of Torn's competition and a hardcore player base so it hasn't really needed it since it can rely on that player base to bring in the money. However, for newly joining people, who either come in expecting it to be like every other mafia/text-based game out there or are having their first mafia/text-based experience, the lack of a hook throws them off I think. That and the lack of instant gratification or morale building things to do. I mean, there's the Casino, but you only go there to lose.
Take Mafia Wars on Facebook as an example. When it was around, it was very much a click in and get out game if you played by yourself (Though they had their own clan wars and worldwide events as well and there was still plenty to do outside of missions), but there was still progression in missions. You could see yourself improving with every mission, with every "storyline", even if you didn't necessarily take the time to read the words the evidence of your progression was right there in front of you. Humans are very visual creatures, so they like to see the progression, they like to see themselves improving, getting to that next level or next gated mission/location/event.
And then there are the waiting times for everything. Now, Education makes sense. But for energy, which is Torn's #1 most important thing/bar/resource/whatever you want to call it, taking 4 hours just to be able to regain 100 e doesn't seem worth it. Waiting an hour to get 15 Nerve is just as bad. And that's as a level one. You come in here all fired up looking to use your e and nerve and you use them in training or attacking or doing missions or whatever...and then you look at the regen clock. 4 hours just for 100 e. In Mafia Wars I could've had over 1k energy/stamina. It'd take me forever to fill it up, but I'd always have some energy or stamina after just 4 hours depending on my Class and refills for either was easy enough to get if you had the friends.
So you look around for other things to do on Torn...and there's nothing much to do. You can't race or play the stock market because you need to cough up about 3,750,000 to buy the License/Ticker for a combined 75 points, you can't fly, you can't buy anything from the shops in Torn because of the 100 item limit you didn't know about until too late, you can't join chat because people will bounty the sh*t out of you for no reason or just flat-out attack you, jobs require no effort beyond signing up so they're done in the background and you might as well forget them, etc... The only thing you can do is risk the casino and even then you can only do it for a limited number of things until you unlock the wheels and other stuff at level 7 for a limited number of times (75) or until you lose all your money on a risky bet. And then at best you're out of sh*t to do or worse, out of sh*t to do and money and you've no way to make any except wait the 4 long hours it takes to regain 100 e or 1 hour for 15 n.
Even if you manage to hit level 10, all you've managed to do is unlock more ways to lose your money in the Casino, companies, and Duke. Now, the Duke missions can provide you with a distraction, but only if you have e or manage to pull the lucky mission where you just have to send a word to some rando without wasting any e. And the problem is, you've likely already used your e in attacks or trains. And the companies are out of your reach because they require time, effort, money, business education, and/or stocks that you likely don't have. So even if you officially have access to it, it still feels unofficially gated to you.
So you're back to square one, where you can't do squat. You're frustrated. You've finally hit level 10 (Or whatever) after X days, and whatever else happened to you in the intervening time. And yet you still can't do anything because anything that can be done needs e and there's no way to speed up or increase your e/e regen beyond becoming a donator/subscriber. But you don't have the IGM to buy a pack or the IRL money to do so, which makes you feel stuck. And you're tired of feeling like you don't have any progression, that you're not really getting anywhere and you don't have anything to distract you on Torn waiting for those 4 hours to pass by, and you slowly stop coming. Or perhaps immediately quit. Either way, Torn and you have split and moved on.
Torn does not have such a thing as "visible progression". With Torn, you (Unless you fly to China and pay the fortune teller which only 15+ can do and most noobs never get that far) have no idea how close or how far away you are from leveling up or reaching the next tier of you NNB which most people don't like, you don't have missions beyond the original George entry missions and the missions from Duke (Which, AFAIK, most people don't even bother to do) and the Duke missions don't give off the feeling of progression beyond perhaps reaching the merit, and once you hit 15 and get the Travel Agency, that's all there is to be unlocked. Then progression stalls massively, unless you're a numbers nerd and like seeing your stats climb, or like d*ck waving contests where you pit your stats against others for the sake of being called #1, or money because you're secretly an accountant IRL. Progression in Education and Work Stats are so in the background that it's laughable to even say it matters.
"Aren't seeing stats or levels go up enough for visible progression?" you might wonder. It may be for some, but it's not enough for the majority of newbies. After all, they're never gonna catch up with the guys who've been around for 10+ years and are still going strong. And unless you're lucky enough to maintain a steady cash-flow somehow in your early days to gain a PI, your numbers will be a slow crawl which is not what newbies like or look towards. Similarly enough for levels.
"But wait!" you might also say. "What about the factions and the forums? What about the chains and territory wars?" or as the awards whores might cry out in anguish, "But the achievements, honors, merits?!". Most people do not come to their games looking to dig into 46 different sections of forums before further digging into thousands of different threads in search of something entertaining for themselves, most of which either repeat the same old shit or talk about things a newbie wouldn't know or have an opinion on or it's some dude sh*tting on another dude. Most people do not expect to need to dig for "how to" guides for a game or needing Excel spreadsheets just to barely compete. Most newbies don't even have the stats factions demand or to deal with enemy members or the abilities to chain/help in a territory war either if they even have the inclination and fewer still have the inclination to start one up. And most people today don't care about sticking around for the achievements unless they love the shit out of a game.
"Torn is a Marathon, not a Sprint" has been championed time and time again. There is truth in that saying after all. And most people are actually fine with that. There are games out there where people set aside hours for simple exploration or what have you. What they aren't fine with is the seeming lack of progression and structure and the very limited amount of things to do compared to modern games. But that's not Torn's biggest problem. It's Torn's e. It tries to do a little too much for too little. It tries to be attacks (Or sluttings) and trains. And it takes forever to regen when you don't have the money for a refill in the points building, for Xanax, for Cans, etc... 4 hours might not seem like a lot in a day, but that's 12 hours of the day doing nothing when you've used up 300 e in attacks, trains, or in the pursuit of Duke's missions in less than 5 minutes. That's half a day and the average person stays awake for about 15 and a half hours. That makes it nearly a full day awake and you had to manage to hit Torn a minimum of 3 times a day with minimal or no distractions/IRL problems. For someone who's just joined up and doesn't have the good fortune to make friends or was brought in a by a friend to help them make it through the slog, this game is a lifetime with very little to show for it or distract from it.
Tl:dr; Torn runs on a different mentality from modern games and the inertia of the old crowd and has no "hook". Torn is very much extremely delayed gratification, has no sense of progression, limited things to do especially in the early stages and has limited to no structure beyond the internal game politics and Chedburn's changes. So it's hard for new people to come in because if you're not brought in by a friend or get don't lucky in friends and help on Torn, you're mostly sh*t out of luck of a quick way to get out of the slog or make Torn fun for you. Unless you're a whale in which case you're a lucky bastard and can buy your friends or shoot your way up the rankings.
Today's gamers want to see visible progression, they want to see new things often as possible, and they want tons of options amongst other things. If they don't have such things, they're likely to be discouraged by Torn.
First off. No need to make a thread looking for a job. We actually have a dedicated thread for such a thing.
Best place to look for a job is in the Newspaper. Find some random company that isn't full up and message the company owner and tell them you just want 10k. Best ones to look for are 3 star or lower as they'd be willing to pay for damn near anyone.
But if you really do not want to spend time looking through the Newspaper, then go here: https://www.torn.com/forums.php#!p=threads&f=46&t=15907925&b=0&a=0
That is the aforementioned thread. It's in the Company Recruitment forum for those looking for a job. Post your work stats, if you have any, and the fact that all you are looking for is 10k. 2nd best way of finding a job as company owners check that thread regularly. Certainly the easiest.
Good luck.
Best place to look for a job is in the Newspaper. Find some random company that isn't full up and message the company owner and tell them you just want 10k. Best ones to look for are 3 star or lower as they'd be willing to pay for damn near anyone.
But if you really do not want to spend time looking through the Newspaper, then go here: https://www.torn.com/forums.php#!p=threads&f=46&t=15907925&b=0&a=0
That is the aforementioned thread. It's in the Company Recruitment forum for those looking for a job. Post your work stats, if you have any, and the fact that all you are looking for is 10k. 2nd best way of finding a job as company owners check that thread regularly. Certainly the easiest.
Good luck.
Literally, just go to the first page and look at the top 5 or 10 companies with a 10*, or if they have less than 10 companies with 10* then some 9* as well. Look at what they have in common. That is generally the stuff you should do because it clearly works to some extent. And then look at what they don't have in common and experiment. Say that one company has X guys in one position but the other company has X guys in another position. Do you like the look of that? If so, try it out and if it doesn't work, forget it and move on.
Basically, trying to figure out the ideal composition for your company is a mix of copying the top and experimentation amongst other factors. Over time you'll find out your sweet spot company-wise. But if you're starting out as a new company or are under 9-10*, don't expect the exact same worker compositions and returns in revenue to happen to you or work well for you. Use the people at the top as guidelines, but you need to put in the time and effort to make things work out for you.
Also, since I'm flying and have no idea what star you are or anything, please make sure to have all the necessary business management, math, and law classes for businesses done first in addition to having the necessary stocks because otherwise, you're gonna have a difficult time running a cruise line.
Good luck and I hope this helps in some way.
Basically, trying to figure out the ideal composition for your company is a mix of copying the top and experimentation amongst other factors. Over time you'll find out your sweet spot company-wise. But if you're starting out as a new company or are under 9-10*, don't expect the exact same worker compositions and returns in revenue to happen to you or work well for you. Use the people at the top as guidelines, but you need to put in the time and effort to make things work out for you.
Also, since I'm flying and have no idea what star you are or anything, please make sure to have all the necessary business management, math, and law classes for businesses done first in addition to having the necessary stocks because otherwise, you're gonna have a difficult time running a cruise line.
Good luck and I hope this helps in some way.
Why would anyone pay 5 mil for a 1 star flower shop? Even if you've bought all the upgrades, that's only 1,287,500. I'd buy it for maybe 1.3 - 1.5 million. And even that might be generous considering you're only 29 days old so the shop isn't likely all that old either.
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Shirley's Nuts.
Bump. Contact us if you're interested!
Bump. Can confirm, good place to work. Boss is pretty handy with the trains.
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Since my old thread died because RL (college) got in my way, I couldn't run a truly active faction, and thanks to the quarantine there's more free time even as I'm still dealing with college crap, I'm starting this again in a new thread.
We're a year+ old (currently 2 person) faction that's looking for members to help with chaining or doing organized crimes to gain respect with a long term eye towards possibly becoming a reviver faction. We have already unlocked the Weapons Armory, Chain I (10 chain), and the Fortitude Branch (All hospital times are down 3%). Currently aiming to unlock the Armor Armory or Chain II (25 chain).
The only requirements for joining are:
That, in the event of a territory war (once unlocked), raid, or chain, you're willing to put the time, energy, and effort into attacking or defending for us.
Being willing to help each other out.
It would be preferred but ultimately not necessary if one:
Has the ability to revive.
Has Donator or subscriber status.
Has a P.I. (if possible).
Has Torn Stats and/or Sidekick.
Is willing to contribute weapons, armor, temporary items, medical items, and drugs to the faction.
And that you are willing to attack at least one person a day to help build respect outside of chains.
The only warning is that if you're inactive for a week or two without prior notification, you will be kicked.
We look forward to growing this faction and enjoying Torn!
We're a year+ old (currently 2 person) faction that's looking for members to help with chaining or doing organized crimes to gain respect with a long term eye towards possibly becoming a reviver faction. We have already unlocked the Weapons Armory, Chain I (10 chain), and the Fortitude Branch (All hospital times are down 3%). Currently aiming to unlock the Armor Armory or Chain II (25 chain).
The only requirements for joining are:
That, in the event of a territory war (once unlocked), raid, or chain, you're willing to put the time, energy, and effort into attacking or defending for us.
Being willing to help each other out.
It would be preferred but ultimately not necessary if one:
Has the ability to revive.
Has Donator or subscriber status.
Has a P.I. (if possible).
Has Torn Stats and/or Sidekick.
Is willing to contribute weapons, armor, temporary items, medical items, and drugs to the faction.
And that you are willing to attack at least one person a day to help build respect outside of chains.
The only warning is that if you're inactive for a week or two without prior notification, you will be kicked.
We look forward to growing this faction and enjoying Torn!
Damp Valley: Someone listened to "Tip of My Tongue" one too many.
Crocozade: Unleash your inner beast! Spoiler: It's a Lizard!
Goose Juice: Torn's knockoff Grey Goose vodka.
Crocozade: Unleash your inner beast! Spoiler: It's a Lizard!
Goose Juice: Torn's knockoff Grey Goose vodka.
I already changed the API before posting the pic Stewie. But thanks anyways. I'll have to see if I can get on DoctorN today since it would not load last night.
Edit: I am happy to report that after finally being able to get home and get on my computer that I was able to load DoctorN. It seems that all it took was for the list to disappear was for DoctorN to get knocked out as the "Hide all areas" button was unclicked like I thought. Thanks for all the help everyone.
Edit: I am happy to report that after finally being able to get home and get on my computer that I was able to load DoctorN. It seems that all it took was for the list to disappear was for DoctorN to get knocked out as the "Hide all areas" button was unclicked like I thought. Thanks for all the help everyone.
It seems that I was signed out of DoctorN somehow (???)* and signing in isn't doing anything, just like the actual DoctorN site isn't loading. I tried just clicking the options button without the sign-in, but that didn't bring up anything. Did something happen to DoctorN which is what's causing this?
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Well I don't know if something is wrong with the DoctorN site or whatever, but it's been circling and loading for several minutes now. So I can't say whether or not it's got the option on, only that I've never used that option before ever (And frankly, I don't even remember that's a thing on there since I haven't really used the site since downloading it for the city finds). If the list is hidden because of the site, I can't access it at the moment to change it.
https://imgur.com/a/wueMXqn - Taken about 5-10 minutes ago.
https://imgur.com/a/Q7qSSvr - Taken a minute ago after reloading the page and clearing cache.
On Google Chrome for PC. Haven't had a single problem until today. All that happened was that I went to the Missions page, accepted the Duke Mission and saw the list on the left was gone. All that's there is the Friends and Enemies links.
https://imgur.com/a/Q7qSSvr - Taken a minute ago after reloading the page and clearing cache.
On Google Chrome for PC. Haven't had a single problem until today. All that happened was that I went to the Missions page, accepted the Duke Mission and saw the list on the left was gone. All that's there is the Friends and Enemies links.
Still looking for people to join up.
Glad to see it's working out for you guys. Keep it up!
Newcomers are always welcome. If anyone is interested, please apply!
Bump.
Bumping this. Still looking for new people to join. Anyone is welcome.
Bump.
Bump.