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Why did the developer felt the need to rig the Casino? Especially Blackjack. We will still gamble until we lose all our money anyway, there's no need to rig it. It was fun even when losing, because that's the point - just play until you can't anymore. But when the 'cheating' became apparent, it just sucked. I don't need the money nor the winrate. I just want to play, and that's what made me come back to this game. Yet, I was being 'bullied'.

The 'cheating' refers to the dealer having so much natural 17+ cards - especially 20 and 21. The dealer has around 5x more chance to get 17+ cards than you. The bust chance on dealer is also really low. You can see them hitting 3-4x without busting and getting 20/21 more than half the time while the player bust on first hit 30% of the time.

I played a lot of discord bot gambling to know what's rigged or not. You can also test this casino rigging by betting on roulette. Bet on a lot of slots and have around 90% of them green, that should mean you have 90% of winning even if it's small amount (a loss). Yet, you could lose half the time with 90% chance to land on green number.

This is not a rant, this is not a complaint since I can always play another game. I am just very curious as to why, especially when the game have a very lively community. Why does the dev feel the need to 'bully' the players?

Not the time,  not the place to discuss this. Why do you people keep going off-topic? Why do you keep trying to lecture me as if I care? Why is it my fault that I am annoyed by idiots when any person would feel the same? Sigh, I was hoping for a proper conversation. And all I got are people who can't even argue nor defend themselves. Just accusations with their delusions as basis.

Yeah I care. Did you convince yourself that I did not care? See, you proved my point. You use your delusions as basis for arguments.

if you had a brain, you'd check the timing of my replies and see that I did not 'sit all day and reply'. I also replied properly to those who replied properly. Are you lying to me or lying to yourself?

Another off-topic reply. Atleast learn to argue and use common sense. I also advice to seek professional help to deal with your delusions.

A person answered me in chat and I will be contented with their answer. I will move on, celebrate New Year, sleep, and wake up happy. While you all wake up the same stupid as you were last year. Goodbye.

I only play for fun, and it isn't fun anymore. So I'm thinking of stopping and moving on. I am convinced that it is rigged, and would have wanted to help with data gathering but this thread suggests than people aren't really that bright for me to cooperate with.

I have played probably more than a million times of blackjack in different platforms and apps. Just on Discord alone would amount to a million. I am very much convinced and is too lazy to reexamine my conclusions. 

Thanks for replying. 1 person (in chat) told me that people reply only here for karma and upvotes so they hurl 'funny insults'. Also he's the only one who answered my question - he said it's because people can buy donator packs and sell it to gamble more.

I am contented with that answer and move on.

Not the time,  not the place to discuss this. Why do you people keep going off-topic? Why do you keep trying to lecture me as if I care? Why is it my fault that I am annoyed by idiots when any person would feel the same? Sigh, I was hoping for a proper conversation. And all I got are people who can't even argue nor defend themselves. Just accusations with their delusions as basis.

Yeah, I thought this post would answer my question as to WHY is it rigged? Even Discord bots don't do this. It is a lot easier to code fair blackjack, and we would still play until we lose anyway. It's just a game, it's just a fake currency. I don't need this money to survive my life. But I still feel frustrated because I am a human. I don't like it when I am being cheated.

Because that's what they did to me? a few minutes of reading and a bit of critical thinking would tell you why I speak this way. But I'll tell you anyway cus you asked.

1. I'm annoyed. Mainly due to these people replying accusing me of lying/guessing
2. I'm annoyed. Because of these off-topic replies that only insults me
3. I'm annoyed. Because these people keep telling me 'how' stuff works when I am not that stupid. I know what they are trying to say, and that's not what I asked. I am asking WHY
4. I am annoyed. Do you get it now?

It is not psychological if we did the math. The reason why we did that math is because we felt like it is rigged. Now we are convinced after seeing the statistics. Also, as I said, I had played a lot of casino games online, I actually just play simple stuff like this whenever I have the time that's why I am convinced that this casino is rigged. I have played way too many games in different platforms and apps to know which is worse and is an outlier.

And for me that is convinced, My only question here is "why". Why do they need to do it? Even Discord gambling bots isn't this bad and I played with around 15 different bots.

This isn't about losing or winning, we can all agree that gambling is always about losing. I could play 14 different apps and lose to them, then switch to the 15th app and lose again. My only question here is - Why did the developer felt the need to rig the casino when we all just really play until we lose? 

Did I? You also missed the point. This started because people like you replies without actually tackling the topic. Look at your off-topic reply and see the hypocrisy.

This is not a discussion about blackjack nor whether if it is rigged or not. It just became like this because people kept missing the point. This is really just a question as to WHY it is rigged. It really isn't a HOW question.

Even the helper missed the point.

Clearly not 'everyone'. Your confidence to be wrong is astounding. I never understood why people are so willing to be openly stupid. Atleast learn to argue or learn to defend yourself.

How would it be 'nerfed' but not rigged? I think nerfing or changing the chances is definitely considered rigging. Increasing house chance to have 17-21 cards and have lower bust rate is what I consider 'cheating'.

Your unsolicited advice gave me another question - Why do people keep answering to 'how' questions when the post clearly stated im asking 'why' ?

I thought these game had better community. I saw lot of guides, charts, and computations. Just to find people like you who just can't answer simple questions but will always respond with such high confidence.

I just played the casino and lost. That should give you the idea that either:
A. I was the one who received 'donation' in order to play and lose
B. I sold my items to have money to play, and I can't "donate" anything because I just play until I lose

Why is it always you idiots with no common sense and can't think critically who keeps going off-topic? 
Atleast be on topic OR make some sense

Sigh. Confidence so high, IQ so low. Your inference is wrong, and your comprehension ability is low. You missed the point, and concluded that "gambling bad". Where did you even get that conclusion? Way to overthink and underthink at the same time. Can't you just 'think' ?

I also do that. There are a lot of times I want to check the cards and would willingly lose just to know what is happening. It also gives me a bit of advantage in the future rounds.

Even if we disregard blackjack, we can't disregard the Casino roulette being rigged too. I forgot where I read the research but I also did some of mine. I bet on even/red/first half/1-12/ etc etc until I bet ALMOST ALL the numbers available. I am supposed to win (albeit small amount incurring a loss), 90% of the time. Yet I did not.

I couldn't test this much as it was very boring. As I said, I was just here to play whether I win or lose. It just feels so frustrating when I am being cheated.

That one, plus the roulette one. My numbers are actually a lot lower than their computations. Yet they insist I'm just 'spewing random numbers' LOL. Maybe they want wilder statistics in order for them to believe it is rigged

But I am not pulling random numbers? If you want, I'll link the study to you. Cus you're so confident at guessing other people's behavior.

Here it is:
https://www.torn.com/forums.php#/p=threads&f=2&t=16486332&b=0&a=0

My numbers are actually pretty tame compared to their logs. they even got 111x push rate (vs expected).

Next time, comment when you can actually understand the point. Now this discussion is tainted by idiocy. Can't discuss "WHY IT IS RIGGED" now because you idiots would rather defend your delusions. This thread is about "WHY" not "HOW".

If you are not convinced that it is rigged, then why bother replying in the first place? We, who actually did our math just wanted to discuss this.

I've read the data and I've done my 'research'. I'm just too lazy to find it again and link it here, plus proving the Casino is rigged is not the point. It is already proven (by said link) and believed by many. The Casino has 8 decks. The point you missed here is "why do they need to rig it?" That's it. 

Also who said I don't want to lose? I said I wanted to play until I can't anymore - and that means until I lose. How can you be so confidently wrong?

This is the only time I discussed casino rigging with so many games I played because of the community. I had my hopes up for a good discussion after I read the thread with the guy who made the analysis. Yet, I am very disappointed that the first 2 people who replied both missed the point.

Sigh. Did it even cross your mind that most people aren't actually as ignorant as you? And why are you people so convinced that I am 'pulling out random numbers' when I just said I played ENOUGH gambling games online? There's already someone who did the math on this forum. I was just too lazy to find it again and check it. Go find it and enlighten your ignorant self that what I'm saying is true. It is rigged. And it's not the point. The point is "why".

Why did the developer felt the need to rig the Casino? Especially Blackjack. We will still gamble until we lose all our money anyway, there's no need to rig it. It was fun even when losing, because that's the point - just play until you can't anymore. But when the 'cheating' became apparent, it just sucked. I don't need the money nor the winrate. I just want to play, and that's what made me come back to this game. Yet, I was being 'bullied'.

The 'cheating' refers to the dealer having so much natural 17+ cards - especially 20 and 21. The dealer has around 5x more chance to get 17+ cards than you. The bust chance on dealer is also really low. You can see them hitting 3-4x without busting and getting 20/21 more than half the time while the player bust on first hit 30% of the time.

I played a lot of discord bot gambling to know what's rigged or not. You can also test this casino rigging by betting on roulette. Bet on a lot of slots and have around 90% of them green, that should mean you have 90% of winning even if it's small amount (a loss). Yet, you could lose half the time with 90% chance to land on green number.

This is not a rant, this is not a complaint since I can always play another game. I am just very curious as to why, especially when the game have a very lively community. Why does the dev feel the need to 'bully' the players?