Chabo: forum

From the moment he joined up the faction

PauloHendo was lookin for action

He worked hard on his post

And shared it, to boast

But then chabo showed up and won without even doing it right

Great director, highly recommend

... hosted and maintained by Torn staff on a forum post or even an in-game URL page somewhere, so that Players 1. are more equitably informed about the existence and benefits of commonly-used tools with 2. safe, fast, virus-free ways to get them and 3. players don't have to worry about/wonder whether something they're using is against the rules

To clarify: I think it's fine to still also have new script development as-is, with the evolving technical ruleset and blahblah. I do NOT think it should be illegal to use non-whitelisted scripts. I DO think that Torn should take ownership of providing visibility and confirmation of proactively legal scripts, given how central to the game they are and the (rightful) stiffness of penalties for illegal script usage. 

That's it, that's my main point.

Also, here's a big long effort post if you want that for any reason:

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The more I read and think about the situation with scripts in Torn, from the perspectives of casual players (80%), script developers, (5%) hardcore players (14%) and the game developers (1%) --- I think an officially-endorsed and maintained Script Whitelist may unfortunately be the only way to be "fair" to all parties, although it seems like a large-to-XL size PITA to me. 

• Game developers have to live with all the perils of allowing any amount of scripting to their game -- at least, that seems to be a decision that was made long ago, and tbh the features added by some tools - like Torn PDA for example or Torn Report comes to mind - just belong in the base game. I am glad they have erred on the side of "allow and moderate"
• Script Developers have to constantly be keeping up with rules updates and feddings, updating their scripts to remain legal. Not that there is a TON of this I'm sure, but given the ramifications if an important announcement IS missed, I feel like I'd be on edge to some extent keeping up with news.
• Casual and "hardcore" players alike really just want the cool and/or useful things, and do not want to break any rules while going about it. They aren't interested in the ins and outs, they just want to know "oooh! is it legal to make one of your magic code things for XYZ? or nah?" and if it is legal, they want that thing.
  • I feel like there's a misconception BTW, that people who use scripts outside of the basics like PDA and torntools are actively seeking unfair advantage and are usually willing to toe the line of rulebreaking to do so. In my experience, the vast majority of players who use scripts are installing them to avoid being at a disadvantage, as opposed to actively seeking to gain an advantage. 
    • Example: bazaar visibility change. How many people are using bazaar tool solely because they heard from someone else "oh! you can just install a script and it goes right back to normal dude," either directly in a chat or indirectly in a fac chat convo they oversaw? Wait, I can make a Poll right? Let's do that real quick - I wanna know

I think the rules/dynamic between Developers and Script Developers are going to remain arcane and techie and annoying. But I think the other 94% of us deserve to know what is legal at any given point in time. We are just trying to play the best, most complete version of the game, with the same tools and advantages as everyone else. 

If we'll continue having a wild west of user-developed scripts flying around on notepad files in discord, some of which are used by idk 20%, 30% of the active playerbase -- make the legal ones known in one place, so everyone can be aware of them and have quick and easy access to them. You can own and endorse a Whitelist, and still make user-created scripts legal under the arcane developer-jargon based rules as they are deployed now.

I feel like the Torn Developers portion of the people here are ultimately the ones who owe it to the rest to strive toward a level playing field, and it seems to me one could remove all player doubt/risk at probably a relatively very low cost by adopting good scripts officially and adding them to the game/hiring or otherwise compensating the developers. Make it a bounty system, pay people in Donator Packs and make em sign a digital "I own your shit now" document, easy. 

Liability is a thing, whether it's a buyout thing or the Whitelist thing -- but it's also a navigable thing and often used as a total cop-out despite contract language solving for these issues hundreds of times a day. That's why I make the DP suggestion -- whether you could compensate via in-game currency for RL labor I am joking about a bit --- but only a bit. We live in a world where a certain retail giant was paying workers in Mexico via Company Store dollars as recently as the 60s iirc. You look it up, I'm just here to make claims and type way too many friggin words about something that probably was suggested for the 40th time 48 hours ago. But anyway -- paying off developers for their code is 100% doable, especially in this business environment. Just buy some apps and be done with all of it! 

BUMP -- Join Legacy Oil Co. today!!

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Made friends 

Wasted supplies

Argued with supply team 

Shot fools 

Slithered

8/10: 10/10 if any rewards at all for Elimination

HAIL THE REPTILE KINGS! MAY THEY EVER BASK CLOSEST TO THE SUN!

Who win da big game??

Friendly dude, bought a bunch of stuff, both made me happy chabo

10/10 Rating: *significantly* better Trader than Chabo

My primary rival in Torn who started within days of me 2 years ago and has also been a daily active slug like ol Chabo ---- he quit too. It sucked. And still sucks. But I am happy for him in that he quit to pursue some other goal, and the pursuing of goals os how we know we are calibrated correctly. We see a future in the world for ourselves that is worth pursuing. We are willing to sacrifice for it. That's the good shit in life. So I couldnt bear to guilt him over it, break his stride. 

You though, @Chingadera, well --- fuckin love the username, El Chabo approves --- but you I don't know at all. So, you definitely just get asked for stuff. You're leaving anyway hermana, why not be a chingadera about it and drop an Orange set or some shit on a random Chabo? What, soy damaciado gringo?! That it?!

Bump -- great finder of nice weapons

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I want the one we already have, except with the He-Man "Hey-Y-YYYY" in the corner fading in and out, Skeletor fist-in-air gliding across right to left occasionally -- you know, the works!

YouTube video ZZ5LpwO-An4

Fast, effective, friendly. Finally made use of nebula 2 years in and I gotta drop the + recommend

El Chabo Approved trader 

Tokyou rocks!

Diligent, honest and fair. Highly recommend 

Fr and he finds the coolest stuff too tbh lol

+ rating 

Have purchased a fine rw weapon myself, at a good price, from HelloReD -- wanna see it?

King Director right there -- apply today 

Bump --- Looking for 1 again! :D

Bump -- believe still looking for 1-2 more, apply here

Best Director, best dude! Apply today if you got the stats!

Bump 2: Revenge of the Bump

Bump! Still need 1 more 

When you join, say hello in Company Chat, and ask for Chabo's special welcoming bonus gift -- it's fantastic 

Plat Farmers unite!