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I’m going to respond once and let people judge the situation for themselves.

Since day one, this guy has been trying to get more and more money out of me, even going as far as trying to pressure me for additional payments.

 

What I find especially suspicious is that after all these days of supposedly playing, he still hasn’t even reached level 15. At this point, it really doesn’t seem like his goal is reaching level 15 at all, it seems like the goal is just getting more and more money.

As for all his “proof,” if you can even call it that, take a proper look at it and judge for yourselves. It’s chopped up, inconsistent, missing context, and unreasonable.

Here's my proof against him:

 

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Not to mention the countless Xanax I gave him which all turned out to be 'overdoses' somehow 😲😳

 

He’s also extremely rude. If you try to message him and question anything, don’t expect a normal conversation. In my experience, he quickly starts throwing around slurs and insults instead.

 

 

I’m not interested in going back and forth endlessly. I’ve said my side. Judge for yourselves.

Regarding the claim that I should have told him to stop attacking after the agreed 40 attacks: I don't think it is reasonable to place that responsibility entirely on me.

 

I play Torn whenever I get the opportunity. I don't normally log in and sit on the game continuously for hours. Instead, my playtime is spread throughout the day. For example, if I get a short break at work, I might log in for five minutes. I'm currently on holiday, so while I'm still trying to respond to people's messages and questions when I can, I'm obviously also trying to enjoy my holiday.

 

A large number of these attacks happened overnight due to Will living in California and me living in Italy.. When its 1pm in Italy, it is 4am in California (correct me if im wrong). When I wake up, I can have many notifications because I regularly list items on the Item Market and have other activity happening on my account. If I only have a few minutes available, I don't necessarily go through every notification. I might instead reply to friends, answer messages, or use my daily casino tokens.

 

The original arrangement was for him to stack and provide 40 attacks. He did not provide those attacks in the way we originally agreed (which is that of stacking till he gets 1,000 energy and then he delivers all attacks at once, when we're both in torn). As the seller providing the service, I believe he also had a responsibility to keep track of the number of attacks he was performing rather than continuing indefinitely and then placing the responsibility on me.

 

There is also important context here: this dispute has been going on for some time, and from my perspective there have already been attempts to scam or extort me. Because of that history, I do not accept the suggestion that his failure to keep track of the agreed service somehow makes me the scammer.

 

Proof of me sending Will the payment for the 40 attacks as per original agreement at the agreed price of 200,000 per attack.

40 x 200,000 = 8 Million.. I have sent him at least 8.3M worth of items / money:

 

 

Another important point is the credibility of the screenshots. When my faction asked me for evidence, I sent mine immediately and in large batches often 15+ screenshots at a time. Given how quickly and how many screenshots I provided, it would not realistically have been possible for me to sit there editing all of them beforehand.

 

Will, on the other hand, took around 2–3 days to provide a single screenshot, which gave him far more opportunity to edit or alter it if he wanted to. The screenshot he provided was still out of context, so it didnt prove anything, but im just putting that out there. One could simply use the inspect element tool to fake a chat. Look up 'inspect element' if you are unfamiliar with this.

 

I can also provide the logs showing the items and money I sent him (which are attached above), totalling approximately $8.3 million. If i send these logs directly through torn, you cant edit them.

 

Will originally claimed that he had not received this payment, but later admitted that he had received it after I threatened to place bounties on him if he lies. CHECK MY PREVIOUS POSTS FOR PROOF OF THIS.

 

It is obvious that Will failed to stop attacking after the originally agreed 40 attacks and is now demanding payment for the additional attacks he chose to do. He has been trying to extort and scam me into sending him even more money for a while now. Please read my previous posts for proof and context regarding this.

 

I never wanted to bring any friction to Will. I know the scammer mindset he has, but in this game scamming is allowed, so with all my patience, I took his threats of demanding payment as fair game since its Torn after all. Anyways, now, by opening this thread, he has not only attempted to make people question me but he has put my reputation at risk. That I do not thread litely.

 

For anyone questioning whether I am actually abroad at the moment, I can provide evidence of that as well:

 

Now, please let me enjoy my holiday in peace.

Shooby asked me to find a specific message which I suspect may have been edited using Inspect Element.

What I also find strange is that I respond to Shooby almost instantly whenever he asks me something, while Will isn't even replying, yet I'm the one who ends up getting blocked by Shooby. How is that hearing both sides fairly when I'm actively trying to answer his questions and provide evidence?

 

As I previously stated, I am currently receiving a lot of messages about this situation. If I leave people on read and answer everything one by one, I’ll be accused of avoiding questions. If I reply quickly, then yes, I may word something poorly or throw in a word here and there because I’m answering in a rush.

 

Me and Will have well over 1,000 messages between us, especially with how much he has been spamming me. Unfortunately, I do not remember every single conversation word for word.

 

I might have mentioned that my friend sent me Xanax, and that I was then sending Xanax to Will so he could stack for the attacks. That does not mean the screenshot shows the full context of what was actually discussed between us.

 

This is the screenshot I'm stating may have been forged. At first, I said it was out of context and I still believe it is, because even you don't know what the supposed 400 Xanax were for, do you? That lack of context is what led me to question whether the screenshot had been edited or altered, and why I later referred to it as potentially forged. Those two statements aren't contradictory; one led to the other.

 

The claim about 400 Xanax makes no sense to me. Why would I send him 400 Xanax? He himself claims to have done 200+ attacks, so where has 400 Xanax suddenly come from?

Regarding the claim that I should have told him to stop attacking after the agreed 40 attacks: I don't think it is reasonable to place that responsibility entirely on me.

 

I play Torn whenever I get the opportunity. I don't normally log in and sit on the game continuously for hours. Instead, my playtime is spread throughout the day. For example, if I get a short break at work, I might log in for five minutes. I'm currently on holiday, so while I'm still trying to respond to people's messages and questions when I can, I'm obviously also trying to enjoy my holiday.

 

A large number of these attacks happened overnight due to Will living in California and me living in Italy.. When its 1pm in Italy, it is 4am in California (correct me if im wrong). When I wake up, I can have many notifications because I regularly list items on the Item Market and have other activity happening on my account. If I only have a few minutes available, I don't necessarily go through every notification. I might instead reply to friends, answer messages, or use my daily casino tokens.

 

The original arrangement was for him to stack and provide 40 attacks. He did not provide those attacks in the way we originally agreed (which is that of stacking till he gets 1,000 energy and then he delivers all attacks at once, when we're both in torn). As the seller providing the service, I believe he also had a responsibility to keep track of the number of attacks he was performing rather than continuing indefinitely and then placing the responsibility on me.

 

There is also important context here: this dispute has been going on for some time, and from my perspective there have already been attempts to scam or extort me. Because of that history, I do not accept the suggestion that his failure to keep track of the agreed service somehow makes me the scammer.

 

Proof of me sending Will the payment for the 40 attacks as per original agreement at the agreed price of 200,000 per attack.

40 x 200,000 = 8 Million.. I have sent him at least 8.3M worth of items / money:

 

 

Another important point is the credibility of the screenshots. When my faction asked me for evidence, I sent mine immediately and in large batches often 15+ screenshots at a time. Given how quickly and how many screenshots I provided, it would not realistically have been possible for me to sit there editing all of them beforehand.

 

Will, on the other hand, took around 2–3 days to provide a single screenshot, which gave him far more opportunity to edit or alter it if he wanted to. The screenshot he provided was still out of context, so it didnt prove anything, but im just putting that out there. One could simply use the inspect element tool to fake a chat. Look up 'inspect element' if you are unfamiliar with this.

 

I can also provide the logs showing the items and money I sent him (which are attached above), totalling approximately $8.3 million. If i send these logs directly through torn, you cant edit them.

 

Will originally claimed that he had not received this payment, but later admitted that he had received it after I threatened to place bounties on him if he lies. CHECK MY PREVIOUS POSTS FOR PROOF OF THIS.

 

It is obvious that Will failed to stop attacking after the originally agreed 40 attacks and is now demanding payment for the additional attacks he chose to do. He has been trying to extort and scam me into sending him even more money for a while now. Please read my previous posts for proof and context regarding this.

 

I never wanted to bring any friction to Will. I know the scammer mindset he has, but in this game scamming is allowed, so with all my patience, I took his threats of demanding payment as fair game since its Torn after all. Anyways, now, by opening this thread, he has not only attempted to make people question me but he has put my reputation at risk. That I do not thread litely.

 

For anyone questioning whether I am actually abroad at the moment, I can provide evidence of that as well:

 

Now, please let me enjoy my holiday in peace.

If you read my threads, I provided full screenshots from the start, not messages taken out of context. I’ve posted over 100 screenshots, while Will initially provided only 1–2 cropped images, with another screenshot appearing 2–3 days after the accusations began.

 

I only play Torn when I have a few minutes spare. I have a busy life and I’m currently travelling abroad on holiday, yet I’m spending my time responding to accusations and messages instead of enjoying it.

 

Regarding the Xanax: I said my friend gave me Xanax and that I would give Will Xanax so he could stack his energy. A full 1,000-energy stack would allow roughly 40 attacks, which is what I wanted. Since Will lives in California and I’m in Italy, a completely different time zone. I preferred him to make the attacks together rather than whenever his energy naturally replenished. He never honoured that part of the agreement and instead kept trying to take my Xanax.

 

As for the alleged “400 Xanax” screenshot, I cannot verify its authenticity. Given that it appeared days later, I have concerns it may have been edited or altered. I’m not stating that as a proven fact, only that I question it.

 

Some of my messages may also be rushed or poorly worded because I’ve received a huge number of messages about this situation and I’m trying to answer everyone as quickly as possible while travelling.

 

I’ll continue responding and providing clarification whenever I have time. Thank you, and good day.

 

Anyways at least I'm actually replying to the allegations unlike him who simply places a threat and leaves it hanging with no proof for 2-3 days.

This situation is getting out of hand.

 

I am currently abroad this week, yet I am still putting in the effort to defend my side and provide evidence. Meanwhile, Mr. Will made his allegations and then disappeared from the discussion for a good 2–3 days. When he was asked to provide evidence, what was presented consisted of cropped screenshots of random chats.

Before reading further, PLEASE READ THE PREVIOUS POSTS I HAVE MADE IN THIS THREAD, as they contain additional context and evidence.

I'm going to answer some of the frequently asked questions I've been receiving.

 

Q: Did you keep track of every single attack he sent?

A: No. I live in Italy and he lives in California. There is a significant time-zone difference, and I regularly wake up to tons of notifications.

From the very beginning, I made my request clear: I wanted 40 attacks, and I was prepared to pay 200k per attack (check my previous posts for evidence).

I wasn't sitting there counting and tracking every individual attack as it came in. I told him exactly what I wanted from the start, and while he kept doing his thing, I kept flying.

Q: At any point did you tell him, "I'm not paying for these," "I don't need these," or anything along those lines?

A: No. I never said I wasn't paying.

What I said from the beginning was simple: I wanted 40 attacks, and I was ready to pay 200k per attack.

That was the arrangement I agreed to.

Q: What if he sent more than the 40 attacks you requested?

A: If he chose to send more than the 40 attacks I specifically requested, I don't believe he can then turn around and force me to pay for additional attacks that I never ordered or agreed to.

My request was 40 attacks at 200k each. I was clear about that from the start.

If someone voluntarily goes beyond what was agreed upon, that doesn't automatically change the agreement afterward.

Q: Why didn't you stop him immediately if he went over 40?

A: Again, there is a major time-zone difference between us. He is in California; I am in Italy. I wake up to tons of notifications, and I wasn't actively sitting there monitoring and counting every attack in real time.

I had already communicated what I wanted: 40 attacks.

I expected the agreement I gave him to be followed.

Q: So are you refusing to pay what you originally agreed to?

A: No. I've never said that.

I agreed to 40 attacks at 200k per attack, and I have never denied that agreement.

What I disagree with is the idea that somebody can exceed the amount I requested and then demand additional payment as though I had agreed to an unlimited number of attacks.

Q: Why are you still entertaining this dispute after everything that's happened?

A: The fact that he has publicly tried to damage my name, while in my view repeatedly making false claims in an attempt to get more money from me, is already serious enough (check previous posts for evidence of this)

Despite that, I'm still being patient enough to hear him out and address the allegations one by one.

I'm not avoiding the situation. I'm currently abroad and still taking the time to respond, provide my side, and present the evidence I have.

All I'm asking is that people look at what was actually agreed upon from the beginning rather than changing the terms after the fact.

 

 

 

I wanted these attacks for the 50 defend merit.

 

Q: What exactly was the merit requirement?

A: The merit requires you to successfully defend against 50 attacks.

Q: Did you need all 50 attacks from this arrangement?

A: No. I already had successful defends from previous wars.

Because of that, I only needed approximately 40 more attacks to complete the merit.

Q: How much was supposed to be sent per attack?

A: The agreed amount was approximately 200k per attack.

So:

~40 attacks × ~200k = ~8 million

This lines up with the approximately 8.3 million that cjbeanz stated I sent him in total.

Q: Why is the 8.3 million figure important?

A: Because it directly corresponds with the number of attacks I still needed for the merit.

I needed roughly 40 additional successful defends, at approximately 200k per attack. The total amount sent around 8.3 million is therefore consistent with the arrangement.

Q: What is Will accusing you of?

A: Will accused me of not sending the money for these attacks.

However, I have logs showing the payments that were sent.

This is why I have repeatedly asked people to look at the full context and evidence, rather than relying on cropped screenshots or isolated conversations.

Again, please read my previous posts in this thread before coming to a conclusion.

This situation is getting out of hand now. I presented my evidence right off the bat, including countless examples showing that OP has demonstrated mistrust since day one. Yet somehow, one screenshot from OP posted 2–3 days later, after allegedly false information had already been presented is now supposed to change the entire story?

And what exactly is the story at this point? First it was 408 Xanax, then 409, and now 410 is being mentioned. At least keep the story consistent.

 

It also raises an obvious question: why did it take two days to provide a single screenshot? Whenever I was asked for evidence, I provided it immediately. I even sent additional chat logs to my faction mates who asked for it in DMS.

I did not reply to this thread since I presented my faction members a lot of screenshots of our agreements in DMS over on Discord, I did not wish to give Will any more attention since clearly every single interaction with him, he's trying to use against me.

Please read CJBeanz's screenshots if you haven't already over on Page 5 of this thread.

Assuming you have done so already, here comes the original deal:
Following me explaining to Will what selling losses are and how much I'd pay him if he loses for me, he agreed on the amount. The problem was that I'm constantly travelling.. 90% of the time I'm flying and since Will lives in California and I live in Italy, it is hard to co-ordinate. Keep in mind that I want to fly to make money, so I asked him to stack energy for me so that I only need to wait for him to attack me in Torn once.

 

Also keep in mind that I only wanted 40 attacks as stated below. The reason being that I already had a couple of defends from previous wars and I just wanted a defend merit (at 50 Defends). Also my net worth shows 452,064,049 on Torn PDA so I dont know how I would spend my entire net worth on 'purchasing defends'.

 

Anyways, here are the screenshots:

 

As seen in the screenshots presented by CJBeanz, I even provided Will with his complimentary Xanax to stack for me, not to eat out from his pay check per hit. Yet somehow, all of these turned out to be an 'overdose'

 

 

Scrolling lower.. once again, he tried scamming me again. I dont know what the deal is with him aiming for money, money, money only.. but here it goes:

 

Anyways, as CJBeanz stated, I have sent him a total of around $8.3 million. If I were genuinely trying to scam him, why would I voluntarily give him $8.3 million in the first place?

 

The agreement was for 40 attacks, as clearly shown in the screenshots above. That is what I agreed to, and that is what I was willing to pay for. I never agreed to pay for an additional 200+ attacks that he chose to do voluntarily outside of our agreement. I don't believe it's fair to suddenly hold me responsible for something I never requested or agreed to pay for. I couldn't afford that even if I wanted to my net worth won't let me.

 

I'm willing to do what is fair and honor what I actually agreed to. What I'm not willing to do is pay for hundreds of additional attacks that were never part of our deal.

And Will, please stop changing the narrative and presenting screenshots in ways that I believe are either altered or taken out of context. I've been extremely patient throughout all of this, but I've reached my limit.

 

DM me if you want me to reply to anything in particular or present more details / proof / screenshots / my thoughts on the agreement etc.. Apart from that, I will keep interaction with this post to a minimum.

Thank you for all your patience, I've said what I needed to say. Good day, all.

I’m going to respond once and let people judge the situation for themselves.

Since day one, this guy has been trying to get more and more money out of me, even going as far as trying to pressure me for additional payments.

 

What I find especially suspicious is that after all these days of supposedly playing, he still hasn’t even reached level 15. At this point, it really doesn’t seem like his goal is reaching level 15 at all, it seems like the goal is just getting more and more money.

As for all his “proof,” if you can even call it that, take a proper look at it and judge for yourselves. It’s chopped up, inconsistent, missing context, and unreasonable.

Here's my proof against him:

 

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Not to mention the countless Xanax I gave him which all turned out to be 'overdoses' somehow 😲😳

 

He’s also extremely rude. If you try to message him and question anything, don’t expect a normal conversation. In my experience, he quickly starts throwing around slurs and insults instead.

 

 

I’m not interested in going back and forth endlessly. I’ve said my side. Judge for yourselves.

TUVCAI [2835313] when war starts:

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