Bye Bye Palestine

Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

The Palestinians are going to suffer in the coming days that's for sure. The vicious cycle continues, eye for an eye.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/


Edit: Scumbags = Hamas

Israel launching a full offensive against Hamas finally after Hamas shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days and also trying to invade an Israeli beach from the sea. Bye bye Palestine.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/

Ok, 3 Israeli citizens have been killed and Hamas gets the blame. This is despite that their is no evidence pinning this accusation on Hamas. Your view is one of complete ignorance. You have been indoctrinated into believing that they are the true perpetrators.

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/

Ok, 3 Israeli citizens have been killed and Hamas gets the blame. This is despite that their is no evidence pinning this accusation on Hamas. Your view is one of complete ignorance. You have been indoctrinated into believing that they are the true perpetrators.

Hamas did kidnap them and murdered them, thats a fact, they even know who did it. The 2 suspects they are after so far are known members of Hamas. Plus Hamas been shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days. Time to get rid of them once and for all.

Your view is deluded if you think Hamas is nothing more then a terrorist organization.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/02/murdered-israeli-teens-moment-truth-for-abbas-obama/

The suspects mother says she is proud of him and hope he eludes capture and Hamas political chief blessed the abductors after calling for such actions


Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme, are the two Hamas operatives who are suspected of grabbing and murdering three of our Jewish children in Israel’s Gush Etzion.

All we have to know about the values of these two men can be summarized by the comment by Abu Aysha’s mother -- that if her son did take part in the kidnapping she was proud of him and hoped he would continue to evade capture.

The kidnapping/murders prove yet again that Hamas is nothing more than a murderous terror organization committed to Israel’s demise.

In truth we already knew the faces of the kidnappers: First and foremost-- Khaled Mashaal, Hamas political chief, who weeks after calling for such action, openly blessed the abductors of the three “soldier settlers,” as he referred to teenagers, Ayal, Naftali and Gilad.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]

IBZ_BOSS [1411404]

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Bout time the Israeli army has decided to wipe these scumbag kid killers off the face of the planet.

Be explicit about your view. Who are you referring to as "scumbags"? And why are you calling them "kid killers"?

Perhaps this will refresh your memory

http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/06/30/bulletin-3-israeli-teens-found-murdered/

Ok, 3 Israeli citizens have been killed and Hamas gets the blame. This is despite that their is no evidence pinning this accusation on Hamas. Your view is one of complete ignorance. You have been indoctrinated into believing that they are the true perpetrators.

Hamas did kidnap them and murdered them, thats a fact, they even know who did it. The 2 suspects they are after so far are known members of Hamas. Plus Hamas been shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days. Time to get rid of them once and for all.

Your view is deluded if you think Hamas is nothing more then a terrorist organization.

Firstly, as I have said before there is NO evidence that Hamas was behind the murders. Secondly, it was Israel that struck first. They carried out numerous air strikes long before they received any.
Please tell me how you know it was Hamas that murdered the boys. You said Israel is searching for 2 suspects. What are their names then? I don't think you can answer that can you?
Finally, how is my view deluded. I know Hamas is a terrorist group. I did not praise them so what have I said that compliments the group?

Hamas did kidnap them and murdered them, thats a fact, they even know who did it. The 2 suspects they are after so far are known members of Hamas. Plus Hamas been shooting hundreds of rockets into Israel the last few days. Time to get rid of them once and for all.

Your view is deluded if you think Hamas is nothing more then a terrorist organization.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/02/murdered-israeli-teens-moment-truth-for-abbas-obama/

The suspects mother says she is proud of him and hope he eludes capture and Hamas political chief blessed the abductors after calling for such actions


Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme, are the two Hamas operatives who are suspected of grabbing and murdering three of our Jewish children in Israel’s Gush Etzion.

All we have to know about the values of these two men can be summarized by the comment by Abu Aysha’s mother -- that if her son did take part in the kidnapping she was proud of him and hoped he would continue to evade capture.

The kidnapping/murders prove yet again that Hamas is nothing more than a murderous terror organization committed to Israel’s demise.

In truth we already knew the faces of the kidnappers: First and foremost-- Khaled Mashaal, Hamas political chief, who weeks after calling for such action, openly blessed the abductors of the three “soldier settlers,” as he referred to teenagers, Ayal, Naftali and Gilad.

"our Jewish children"

I knew it would eventually come to pass that an Israeli national would start posting on this forum board. I take no stance on whether or not I agree with this. In my opinion Hamas and other terrorist organizations in the area have shown that they are not interested in any kind of peace. The nation of Israel has gone out of its way to provide the people of Palestine with a place to call home. However I don't agree with sentencing before trial, and would rather see the leaders of Hamas brought before some kind of court or military tribunal.

Please IBZ, don't start with the he said she said/they shot first BS again. We've been through that a hundred times at least, and you have been proven wrong about it every single time. On top of that, its really a rather pathetic defense for outright murder of innocent children. You only remember the "first" attack that you want, you cherry pick specific events, and you fail to recognize transgressions from the side that you support. Every last one of these events is predicated on the idea that retribution is necessary. The funny part is that Israel, as a nation, and the peoples of Palestine have been ready to move on for decades. Terrorist organizations and the families that support them hold grudges that are as old as dirt. Its time to move on. If Hamas is so interested in fighting this battle then I hope the supporters hang flags on their front doors to let Israeli troops know just where they are hiding. Either that or form a standing army and get it the hell over with. Nobody deserves to live a full life among live rocket fire.

CravenTHC [1569996]"our Jewish children"

I knew it would eventually come to pass that an Israeli national would start posting on this forum board. I take no stance on whether or not I agree with this. In my opinion Hamas and other terrorist organizations in the area have shown that they are not interested in any kind of peace. The nation of Israel has gone out of its way to provide the people of Palestine with a place to call home. However I don't agree with sentencing before trial, and would rather see the leaders of Hamas brought before some kind of court or military tribunal.


Please IBZ, don't start with the he said she said/they shot first BS again. We've been through that a hundred times at least, and you have been proven wrong about it every single time. On top of that, its really a rather pathetic defense for outright murder of innocent children. You only remember the "first" attack that you want, you cherry pick specific events, and you fail to recognize transgressions from the side that you support. Every last one of these events is predicated on the idea that retribution is necessary. The funny part is that Israel, as a nation, and the peoples of Palestine have been ready to move on for decades. Terrorist organizations and the families that support them hold grudges that are as old as dirt. Its time to move on. If Hamas is so interested in fighting this battle then I hope the supporters hang flags on their front doors to let Israeli troops know just where they are hiding. Either that or form a standing army and get it the hell over with. Nobody deserves to live a full life among live rocket fire.

It is Israel that is not seeking peace. They continue to build homes on occupied territory which is considered illegal under international law. Hamas as I have said before is not responsible for the killings. We do not know who murdered those boys. There is NO evidence whatsoever suggesting it was Hamas. Fact.
Furthermore, I am not wrong, it was Israel that accused Hamas of the attack but they have NO evidence to prove it. This breaks a fundamental human right. The right to be innocent until proven guilty. Israel detained over 500 Palestininans half of which have been kept in jail without a trial or reason. Again, a breach of your human rights.
They also carried out air strikes which killed many civilians. Again, a war crime.
The leaders of Hamas are even standing up and saying "show us your evidence that it was us who killed those boys". Even the Palestininan leader said this on national television.
The Israeli government said it would disclose the evidence once the boys have been found. Well, why don't you show it to us then? You said you would.
They can't show it because they haven't got any.
CravenTHC, do not accuse me of being wrong. I have been observing the events from day one of this crisis. My argument is bassd on fact not speculation.
Finally, nobody deserves to live a life in a country that discriminates against people based on their religion.

Has Hamas done anything wrong at all?

They do know who murdered those teenagers, Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme who are Hamas operatives. The Hamas political chief Khaled Mashaal openly blessed these 2 for doing it after he called for such actions weeks ago. The mother of one of the individuals also said she was proud of her son and hope he continues to elude capture. That in itself should tell you the mentality of Hamas.

Israel has no problem with peace otherwise they would of just invaded Palestine a long time ago and ended Hamas, we have no problem with a palestinian state but its Hamas who constantly call for the destruction of Israel which shows they have no desire of peace and do not want a Jewish state to exist. We will not sit idly by and let anyone continue to launch rockets towards our populated areas. We do not hide our rocket batteries next to schools and hospitals like Hamas does. We do not purposely launch rockets into non Hamas targets. We are not the aggesssors in this case but we will not tolerate attacks on our civilians.

The Palestinian people are doing nothing to stop Hamas and their terroristic actions and this is looking as it will lead to full blown war which Palestine and Hamas have no chance of winning.

If Israel did not want peace then their would not be a West Bank or Gaza strip, it would all be Israel. They have no issue with there being a state of Palestine, it is Hamas and its supporters who do not want a Jewish state to exist at all and constantly call for the destruction of Israel. So Ibrihim who really is discriminating over religion, it sure seems like Hamas is a lot more discriminatory then Israel is.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]They do know who murdered those teenagers, Amer Abu Aysha and Marwan Kawasme who are Hamas operatives. The Hamas political chief Khaled Mashaal openly blessed these 2 for doing it after he called for such actions weeks ago. The mother of one of the individuals also said she was proud of her son and hope he continues to elude capture. That in itself should tell you the mentality of Hamas.

Israel has no problem with peace otherwise they would of just invaded Palestine a long time ago and ended Hamas, we have no problem with a palestinian state but its Hamas who constantly call for the destruction of Israel which shows they have no desire of peace and do not want a Jewish state to exist. We will not sit idly by and let anyone continue to launch rockets towards our populated areas. We do not hide our rocket batteries next to schools and hospitals like Hamas does. We do not purposely launch rockets into non Hamas targets. We are not the aggesssors in this case but we will not tolerate attacks on our civilians.

The Palestinian people are doing nothing to stop Hamas and their terroristic actions and this is looking as it will lead to full blown war which Palestine and Hamas have no chance of winning.

If Israel did not want peace then their would not be a West Bank or Gaza strip, it would all be Israel. They have no issue with there being a state of Palestine, it is Hamas and its supporters who do not want a Jewish state to exist at all and constantly call for the destruction of Israel. So Ibrihim who really is discriminating over religion, it sure seems like Hamas is a lot more discriminatory then Israel is.

I disagree. I accept both sides have caused atrocities but the root problem of all this is the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories in the West Bank and Gazza. It is considered illegal under international law. This is a problem Israel caused and so must be responsible for all violence caused.
I do not accept that Hamas carried out the killing. I have seen no such evidence whatsoever. However, if you say Israel is searching for these 2 men then why don't they release the 500+ people they have already arrested? Half of which have been detained without a trial or reason for arrest.
Additionally, in the last couple of hours over half a dozen Palestinian kids have been killed in an Israeli air strike. All of this is fueling the bitterness towards Israel.

Just for the sake of argument if it wasnt Hamas(even so they have called for such action by their leaders) then it must have been done by normal Palestinian citizens(for the record it was Hamas but just proving Ibz's point of it not being Hamas is silly) which would mean that the regular citizens of Palestine are terrorists and murderers also. Israel is not gonna post the evidence it has that these individuals committed this atrocity. As for the 500 plus arrested they are not innocent people. Most are Hamas operatives or have committed crimes against Israelis. There should be a lot more then that in jail. Israel should be arresting everyone who is throwing stones, molotov cocktails, and shooting at israeli troops and police. As stated before it is Hamas fault for any palestinian casualties, if they would not shoot rockets into israeli cities then they would not be launching air strikes into Hamas targets. Also Hamas uses Palestinian citizens as shields by deploying their rocket batteries in populated areas and hide like cowards amongst civilians. Israel goes out of its way to only attack Hamas targets and even sends text messages and other warnings to Palestinian civilians that they will be targeting a specific building so innocent people can get out of the area.

If Israel was purposely trying to kill innocent Palestinians then the casualties would be much higher and they would just annihilate the whole West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You constantly put all the blame on Israel which has done more then its fair share to try and have peace with Palestine and you seem to put zero blame on the terrorist scumbags of Hamas. You say Israel has no evidence of who did it even so the world knows Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Do you really think Israel is going to or has to show every bit of evidence on an ongoing search for these cowards? You say Israel starts all air strikes which is far from the truth since they only fire air strikes in response to Hamas firing rockets at them.

They can be bitter all they want but the actions of Hamas will eventually cause much more harm to Palestine then if they ceased their terrorist actions and let things take their natural course. You do realize that if Israel did not want Palestine to exist then it would not exist. Honestly if it was not for the constant terror coming out of these territories that Palestine would most likely be autonomous and be its own country by now but that is not enough for Hamas, all they want is destruction of Israel.

The actions of Hamas are leading to all out war which will not be a good thing for Palestine. Sympathizers such as you should be calling for Hamas and any other people attacking Israeli interests to stop instead of making excuses for them and reversing the blame onto a country defending itself and its citizens from terrorists.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]Just for the sake of argument if it wasnt Hamas(even so they have called for such action by their leaders) then it must have been done by normal Palestinian citizens which would mean that they are terrorists and murderers also. Israel is not gonna post the evidence it has that these individuals committed this atrocity. As for the 500 plus arrested they are not innocent people. Most are Hamas operatives or have committed crimes against Israelis. There should be a lot more then that in jail. Israel should be arresting everyone who is throwing stones, molotov cocktails, and shooting at israeli troops and police. As stated before it is Hamas fault for any palestinian casualties, if they would not shoot rockets into israeli cities then they would not be launching air strikes into Hamas targets. Also Hamas uses Palestinian citizens as shields by deploying their rocket batteries in populated areas and hide like cowards amongst civilians. Israel goes out of its way to only attack Hamas targets and even sends text messages and other warnings to Palestinian civilians that they will be targeting a specific building so innocent people can get out of the area.

If Israel was purposely trying to kill innocent Palestinians then the casualties would be much higher and they would just annihilate the whole West Bank and Gaza Strip.

You constantly put all the blame on Israel which has done more then its fair share to try and have peace with Palestine and you seem to put zero blame on the terrorist scumbags of Hamas. You say Israel has no evidence of who did it even so the world knows Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Do you really think Israel is going to or has to show every bit of evidence on an ongoing search for these cowards? You say Israel starts all air strikes which is far from the truth since they only fire air strikes in response to Hamas firing rockets at them.

They can be bitter all they want but the actions of Hamas will eventually cause much more harm to Palestine then if they ceased their terrorist actions and let things take their natural course. You do realize that if Israel did not want Palestine to exist then it would not exist. Honestly if it was not for the constant terror coming out of these territories that Palestine would most likely be autonomous and be its own country by now but that is not enough for Hamas, all they want is destruction of Israel.

The actions of Hamas are leading to all out war which will not be a good thing for Palestine. Sympathizers such as you should be calling for Hamas and any other people attacking Israeli interests to stop instead of making excuses for them and reversing the blame onto a country defending itself and its citizens from terrorists.

Throughout your whole argument you have neglected the true cause of all this violence and hatred; the illegal settlements Israel continues to build.
A senior member of the IDF said Israel would disclose its evidence as soon as the boys were found. Why hasn't your government shown this evidence then? The boys have been found days ago now.
You said if it wasn't Hamas it must have been a Palestinian. That is completely outrageous and prejudiced of you to say that. For all we know, it may have been an Israeli who killed them in order to start a conflict with Hamas. It may have been a criminal group. You have just branded all Palestinians as potential murderers. Do you have any idea how unjust and damaging that is.
Furthermore, out of the 500+ people arrested over half are innocent. Fact. No charge has been brought to them so their detention is illegal.
You constantly said that if Israel didn't want Hamas or gazza to exist it would simply be blown up along with its population. Well, if that were to happen we would see all your neighbours turn on you. Even your closest ally the US wouldn't allow such atrocities to take place.
The Israeli air force indiscriminately bombs Hamas targets. Like you said, Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies (Mosad) so they know there are civilians next to those targets. Israel doesn't care if Palestinians die. Dozens have died already in the air strikes but Israel thinks its ok to continue. I find that disgusting and evil to have a GOVERNMENT do that to civilians.

I give up, no sense in talking to you. Your points are ludicrous. Do you honestly think Israelis actually murdered Israeli teens just to start a war?

You still do not put any responsibility on Hamas or Palestine but continually put 100% blame on Israel. You say they indiscriminately bomb Hamas targets, who the hell else are they gonna target besides the people shooting rockets into their cities? You are blinded, foolish and nothing but a terrorist sympathizer continually making excuses for Hamas.

You are the guy who said people should sit down and talk terms with ISIS..you still think that? (boss)

Ibz you contradict yourself, you say Israel indiscriminately fires into Palestine and you have stated that Israel always launches these attacks first. If that is the case why would they have to kidnap and kill their own teenagers for a reason to have a conflict. Start making some legitimate points please instead of wild fantasies and false accusations. Put the blame where blame should be, with Hamas.

Hugh_G_Rection [1849625]I give up, no sense in talking to you. Your points are ludicrous. Do you honestly think Israelis actually murdered Israeli teens just to start a war?

You still do not put any responsibility on Hamas or Palestine but continually put 100% blame on Israel. You say they indiscriminately bomb Hamas targets, who the hell else are they gonna target besides the people shooting rockets into their cities? You are blinded, foolish and nothing but a terrorist sympathizer continually making excuses for Hamas.

Now the truth is out you wish to hide away from it. Disgusting.
You have no idea how geopolitics works. You are completely ignorant and accept things that you are told without question.

LOL..wow,The guy saying hes follows Islam even though he doesnt know shit about it yet,calls someone else ignorant.

My head just exploded.