who cares

When a committee member bypasses game mechanics to gain an advantage for theirselves, yes, there is something VERY wrong with that.

You are supposed to represent the players.

You do not.

You should leave the committee.

No one knew whether stacking a team will gain an advantage or not, as alliances of other teams will still outnumber you (Ched has implied that himself). Also the rules for the competition were not set at all (scoring wasn't determined), so again, who knew whether it will benefit or harm the team.

Okay :(

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Nah jk, I'll stay and help instead. Now back to winning this competition.

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A group of competitive people wanting to take on any challenge no matter how vast got together with their like minded peers. That said, they definitely succeeded, if they hadn't they would have crumbled under the duke with an absolute destruction of their morale. In that regard it was a success.

People got together to fight and refused to give up, that's what it's all about. Not just PP but some others really just put their all in, look at the top hitters in OG for example, god damn I don't think that's even possible on just Xanax and refills, these people gave it their all. I hope to see some of them in 420!

Considering the graph is only the top 200, I think you're reading it wrong if you see 220. I was considering pulling out actual numbers for these discussions... but my motivation is fairly lacking. The tables are there if someone wishes to disprove my completely unfounded claims (/sarcasm).

Just like the extremely high stats, a high networth is an (potential) advantage. It opens up OPTIONS that people without the high NW do not have. Sure some will not choose to use their $$ in the elim... so what? Same as SOME of the folks insanely high stats will choose not to fight at all.

All I said was there is a shit ton of stats and a shit ton of wealth in the 204. I did not say every single one of the 204 has 10B stats and 25B NW. Adding all those players with stats and wealth has displaced the average randomized players that are in all the other teams.

And yes... 3,000 xanax taken is a SURE SIGN of a high level of activity. :|

The Xanax Graft don't mean a thing, just because we have high Xanax intake doesn't we have used it all to train.

some people use all there energy the mug everyday and stack Xanax and do the same next day, they are not training

iv been farming and warring for the last month using all my e up taking the max 3 Xanax, sometimes 4 everyday. iv done very little training in this time

many of the top takers are weak a **** because there terrible addiction is for warring and stacking for more wars

didn't you see the great battles for the islands, have you seen how many attacks where done in that, you should have graft that



do a graft with there age or level that make more sense

You fvcking nerd gunz xD

I said that 3 teams that are above 2.8k xanax amount to 220, like I said in my original post. MM, Illuminati, Pirates are around 73-76 each. At this point I don't know if you're intentionally not seeing it or ignoring it. Strictly based on the xanax metric, 3 teams are capable of equalizing PP (without taking account of anything else). And that has been what I was trying to get at.

Sure networth opens up options but how can you quantify it effect elimination if not by attacks made by a player?

I'm just pointing out the power potential.

Attacks during elim are affected by soooo many other variables that I can't see/track (FHC use, overall team motivation, and on and on).

Here are the raw numbers of the top 300 (ranked by xanax use):

x used	PP	OG	IL	PIR	NDZ	MM	GA	RF	MUR	SB	NIN
7000	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6000	10	3	1	2	3	3	4	7	1	0	1
5000	24	7	16	6	6	7	7	11	0	8	3
4000	59	21	14	18	15	15	18	10	4	12	23
3000	91	22	32	40	19	44	16	28	8	26	26
2000	90	41	43	62	47	51	26	29	29	37	51
1000	26	103	88	98	60	83	73	46	35	58	81
> 500	0	61	68	74	42	84	51	49	40	46	52
> 100	0	43	37	0	108	13	106	119	83	81	63
	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	102	33	0

Here's the colorized version, makes it pop out at you a little more:

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So... 3-5 teams... PP 3K or better = 185. OG, NDZ, GA, MUR, and SB = 199 ... IL, PIR, and MM = 199 hence... 3-5 teams worth.

100% agreed. Would've joined nerdz in a heartbeat.

Age and level are not reliable measures of power or activity. I'm a pretty good example of that, lol! Xanax is a pretty reliable measure of at least activity because of drug cool down times.

it's almost like you guys colluded to get a group of some of the smartest, strongest players in Torn together on one team to absolutely destroy the rest of the competition.

It's obvious PP has a strength and activity advantage. I doubt anyone would argue that.

However, your graph is fairly deceptive. By the looks of it PP have the strongest top end stat ppl in addition to the depth that comes with 200 players. The problem is that a lot of the top end players don't have a ton of xanax. For example sharkeyfive [1151690] has over 7k xanax taken and CindyFury [345050] has 3.7k xanax taken. Cindy is stronger than sharkey by quite a bit. Bodybagger is only around 2k xanax taken.

That isn't to say PP isn't strong. Just your graph makes the top end look ahead of everyone else which isn't the case. PP doesn't have anyone in the top 10 battle stats and those top 10 are strong enough to sit on anyone in the team besides the bottom of the top end probably can't sit on deft. PP's strength is the depth of people in the 2-5b range, not necessarily the top end.

Of course he's going to do whatever he can to get the most extreme results he can in his favor, that goes without saying. Same as any propaganda.

So basically 3 top teams can equalize PP or 5 (4, minus Murica still works) of the bottom teams equalizes PP. I also saw you deleted the comment about if all teams united against us they "might" have a chance which simply isn't true- which I'm sure you deleted because you also saw it wasn't true as well. The matter of fact is just that not enough people focused on PP.

I enjoy data like this because these numbers can't be refuted. Thanks for taking the time making these charts/graphs.

It's called being immoral and ganging up with a bunch of cheaters.

So what happens if it takes three other teams just to equal the attack power PP? But PP was also filled with newbies that could not be targeted at all. Plus, three less efficient teams attacking one powerhouse team means the three teams wind up running out of targets and are restricted in how they can act, whereas PP could do whatever it pleased to most optimally keep their score up or wreck another team.

What you're saying doesn't even matter though. Because what it boils down to is that 1) there was a massive imbalance in the competition and then 2) several teams would be forced to unite together just to stand a chance against one team. I don't see how this is fair or justified at all.

It's not deceptive. It's sorted by xanax use. Nothing hidden, and I've said before... yes, I could add SEs, and refills, but I don't really need to.

"Just your graph makes the top end look ahead of everyone else which isn't the case." Actually, in regards to xanax use, it is the case.

Actually, if you look at the neato color coded chart... it shows the top is RED for everyone. It's the 2000-4000 xanax range where PP is super heavy. The rub of that imbalance is that the bulk of the other randomized teams have more than HALF (the range is 172-258) of their top 300 in the

If you want to illustrate how PP is not overpowered, then YOU make the graph of top 10 stat wise (hell, top 100) and where they're at.

Yeah, sure, there is a subset of players that burn through xanax without keeping up on the stat work. Quit trying to act like it's enough of a factor to completely invalidate these charts.

I deleted that because it wasn't true. They never had a chance because of both the stat imbalance and what Ebony just mentioned. Limited targets.