Unless there is something added to the game that prevents it, I think you are always going to have some amount of friends helping friends. There are a few things the game could maybe do about that, some of which might cause other problems, however, I don't think that is what you are getting at. While you guys think there is some sort of Illuminati set-up on our side, the truth is we never used to coordinate across faction groups. It all started when SA/FTW/R all piled into a JFA v. IBB war after sector 1 of territories was opened. We really only got together in response to something you guys started.
Personally, I think it would be good for the game if faction families operated separately. It would increase competition and result in more wars. I think it used to be this way until that first big territory war. We had never planned something out with JFK, PT or MNC until that war happened. It is also possible this is an unintended consequence of the territory system. Territories sort of force you to work with other factions. Maybe a gentlemen's agreement can be reached on some of these things.
I used to play a game where it was actually written into the rules that factions were not allowed to coordinate with each other. It was called "super-alliancing" and if you did it, you would be removed from that 30 day round. Although, nowadays with everyone on Discord, it would be tough to prove.
A few game changes that could help the problem: 1. Lock rosters when a war starts - this would heavily favor the attacker 2. Lock roster for attacking faction, but defending faction can bring in enough guests to match attacking faction, then defender is locked. 3. Hits from outside do not remove you from wall - if you were in the hospital and on the wall, how would someone legit remove you? 4. If war has already started, outside players can join the faction but can't join the wall 5. Defending faction can have a no-wait faction tree reset - could be abused unless some controls were in place
I continue to find these statements utterly hilarious! Endless hypocrisy!
Once again when JFK were the "overlords" either you were like MnC, JFA, etc and kissed their ass. Or if you didn't and every time anyone not kissing their ass got into a war with someone who kissed your ass JFK intervined. AND look no hard feelings, way it goes. But please stop acting now that we may control the game and you don't with all the hyperbole. If anything we are at least all equals now while it was one small group in JFK running everything in the past. Again were was all this talk about competition when you were running the game? Why do you discount yourselves and say you won't be competition?
Maybe a short time-period where both side's rosters can be updated, after which they're locked for the duration of the war? Although both of these options just work as a weird way to lock up an enemies roster. I actually like #4 whereby members could be rotated in but not contribute at all. Although I'd allow members who leave after the war starts to return and be able to contribute.
3. In terms of outside hits, the only realistic way to prevent them that I can see is to put penalties in place for meddling factions i.e. (respect loss?) for hitting a player on another faction's wall.
First territory Beta: SA attacks TuS, JFK come to their aid. FTW comes to our aid. JFK loses all but one territory battle to SA and TuS abandons all their territory to JFK so they can win the first prize and share it with each other. JFK and TUS then merge into JFK and JFK 2.1.
Second Beta: Rumors of an Alliance 8 begin to swirl. JFA, DA, DA angels, PT, MnC, mentos are all working together to block the island. Leaving speculation that JFK and 2.1 fill out the 8. JFK deny it and swear to stay out of the beta. SA attacks The island and is met by heavy resistance from allied forces on the island but nothing even slows us down until we are bombed by JFA(Cartman). Even after the Bomb we won the JFA wall and low and behold, JFK enters the island to support it's allies. Alliance 8 confirmed.
Territories Opens: DA abandon the alliance wanting to stay away from the upcoming war. JFA who has been protected by JFK since it's inception attacks IBB at the base of the bridge. SA, IBB and R (I don't believe FTW was involved at all) who before this were not even associated to SA in any way, decided JFA needed a lesson since all 3 had reasons for wanting JFA gone. We attacked, and you used that attack to officially form JFx. The first Official mega alliance was born.
. I do agree that factions are way too limited on how they can interact competitively with one another leaving us only with territories which as you said awards you for working together. I just think if you if you don't deserve to be somewhere on the map it shouldn't be gifted. SA attacks Mentos for prime territory JFX is protecting in the end MnC agrees SA deserves those spots over their sub. The war ends. SA gifts WAR territories, Mentos are upset they have to deal with a faction they believe is undeserving and in the agreement War loses their territories.
These are prime examples of how I view territories should work in a way. I have always been a firm believer in, if you can earn it, you should be able to have it. I believe all 8 core factions deserve prime sector 1 territories and hold no malice over anyone. I do know not everyone sees things the way I do and like Mike said we have no intentions of continuing Insurgency unless it's to defend against a united assault.
You’ve been a victim of what exactly? 3 maybe 4 members of 2.1 beat you guys up after you used our guys as targets for days, which we actually ignored at first because hey we were allies. You message to Kara was something along the lines of ‘wait till Z heard about this, we have his and cindys full support’ so if anything you were the one throwing your weight around because you thought you had immunity because of ‘Daddy Z’
There was no Angels at the time (this was pre our merger with The Saints). Also for the record, we didn't "abandon" any alliance because there was no official alliance to begin with.
The rest about the BETA sounds about right, it did turn into 2 mega sides, DA was happy to participate in the tests but we were never interested in being a pawn in a mega alliance and depending on other factions. Frankly I think this is ruining territory warfare and both sides are contributing to that.
I think everything you have said is fair. I'm not going to dispute exact details of the old wars. I think it is just fair to say that territories created an incentive for factions to band together and that has had a detrimental effect on the game. Why would any faction declare on another faction if they know everyone else is going to just pile in? So, they don't declare, and we all sit on our hands.
I agree that if you don't deserve to be somewhere on the map, someone should be able to toss you out without everyone else getting involved. I'm not exactly sure how we make that happen though.
Beat us up?? That really how ya saw that goin down ?
And yeah, I tried to remind Kara that we were all on the same side and trying to break our chain at hit 24770 over a couple retals was dickish for allies to do, but that was when we were harshly enlightened after 3 years of reppin JF in this game, that we were indeed "not fam" and yeah, I went to Z, for all the good it did me, because he excused and condoned your oh-so-anal-actions, but here is where the victimization comes in, ya ready ?
After Z made the astonishing decision to back your play, thats when things got interesting. Before you give me the "We are their sub, of course they backed us up" stuff, screw that... you were in the wrong, big time, we were just as loyal, if not more (because when Z told me to lay off someone, i actually did it, unlike 2.1) and we were way more use to them than you are (as I would like to think this war has shown them, and you very clearly) .. we said "to hell with it" and were gonna just come and kick your asses ourselves, and were promptly informed that wasnt an option bc , even though you REALLY deserved it, we couldnt fight JUST you, we had to fight JFK too. That was straight outta Cindys mouth, and the nail in the coffin in JFC and JFKs relationship. SMH... and WE get called the Traitors... I guess its all about perspective, eh ?
I'm glad you spoke up, honestly, because you bozos are the perfect example of what I was talking about. Not as tough as ya think ya are, and when someone you thought you could just push around comes to smack you in the nose for it, ya cant fight your own battles.
In closing, I have to keep it real, while in JFB and JFC, we did indeed reap the benefits of being in the JF Fam, or Fake Fam, or whatever we were ... Anyway, yeah, when we had trouble, we went to JFK and they stepped in for us, and it went away, so I DO know first hand, on both sides of the fence that it is indeed as I said.. we didnt fear shit, because we were JFB and affiliated with the best crew in the game, and if ya messed with us, ya messed with them, It was just as wrong then as it is now, but keepin it real again, we didnt mind it a bit, bc we were nub af and grateful for the help. Sue us :-)
You guys arent new players, though, youre just not good enough to fight your own battles against a crew that you, at the time had the stats edge on, and a ton more experience than. Textbook example of what I was talking about, actually.. you guys should be embarrassed JFK had to step in front of JFC for you, you earned the beatin we were gonna give ya, and it took a year, but I'm delighted to see you wanna-be-bullies finally get what ya had comin to ya.
Have fun in your new home, we had a blast helping put you there...
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