Ok I spent way too much time here for now, I need a break
D&D Mafia: Corruption Begins - Town Wins
Started by Raius [2045501] on in Fun & Games.
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Well, I'm going to sleep soon so I'll leave that to you guys.
I am...really bad at scum reading. Like just god-awful at it at my last few games. So I'll leave that part to you guys as well.
I'll be here in the background...trying my best to be semi-useful by posting vote history...
I'll be here in the background...trying my best to be semi-useful by posting vote history...
I should prob do a read list though
Lock Town
Mary
Probably Green
Ninivah
Blight_Lupus
_Ninja
b0mma
regulusj
Slight Green
JhayArZee (I'll talk about this one later)
Brogar
Null
sh4rinja
LuMiNoSi
Vigoreux
IamMoon
Slightly Red
Beerstein
Probably Red
Helzwar007
I feel like I am missing somebody. I didn't put IMTheDrew cause he's blue
Lock Town
Mary
Probably Green
Ninivah
Blight_Lupus
_Ninja
b0mma
regulusj
Slight Green
JhayArZee (I'll talk about this one later)
Brogar
Null
sh4rinja
LuMiNoSi
Vigoreux
IamMoon
Slightly Red
Beerstein
Probably Red
Helzwar007
I feel like I am missing somebody. I didn't put IMTheDrew cause he's blue
At least muster some names, even if it's a guess. That much is still helpful
Okay.......I really don't wanna die......but I'm going to fight for what I believe is right.......
Unvote Bomma, vote Helz
I urge all of you who have voted me or literally anyone other than her to reconsider. I think I should know how a green Helz acts and this just isn't it. Plz, think about this. I know that lot of ppl, including me, have set up red flags, but the more I think about it, the more Helzy just feels so off. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will just be alienating greens even more. If I'm right, the reds will push on me. I have no upside to fughtung strongly on any vote aside from my own survival, but I truly belueve this is the right call.
Plz at least consider this. Thank you. <3
Unvote Bomma, vote Helz
I urge all of you who have voted me or literally anyone other than her to reconsider. I think I should know how a green Helz acts and this just isn't it. Plz, think about this. I know that lot of ppl, including me, have set up red flags, but the more I think about it, the more Helzy just feels so off. If I'm wrong, I apologize and will just be alienating greens even more. If I'm right, the reds will push on me. I have no upside to fughtung strongly on any vote aside from my own survival, but I truly belueve this is the right call.
Plz at least consider this. Thank you. <3
My only question on lynching the admitted blue today vs. trying to find a red and potentially mislynching a green - does that actually help us?
It could just be that I'm not thinking about it the right way. Lynching Drew will either A) confirm his identity as a blue or B) out him as a red. If we believe that he is who he says he is (a neutral) than I don't see what value there is in killing him. If we think there's a chance that he's trying to pull one over, and he was out of the house as the killing mafia, then sure, let's lynch him.
It could just be that I'm not thinking about it the right way. Lynching Drew will either A) confirm his identity as a blue or B) out him as a red. If we believe that he is who he says he is (a neutral) than I don't see what value there is in killing him. If we think there's a chance that he's trying to pull one over, and he was out of the house as the killing mafia, then sure, let's lynch him.
If I do this and Helz flips green, its going to be you or me the next day. I'll come after you relentlessly until I get killed or guillotined.
Well, you know my thoughts about LuMiNoSi, and even though their role claim is pretty Green, b0mma feels kinda scummy to me.
Mary is definitely non-red, and I believe Drew's Blue claim, mostly because I experienced it first-hand.
Everyone else I don't really have a read on. I'm way too reliant on TIs giving leads in ToS.
Mary is definitely non-red, and I believe Drew's Blue claim, mostly because I experienced it first-hand.
Everyone else I don't really have a read on. I'm way too reliant on TIs giving leads in ToS.
I know this fully well. I'm not living until the end of this game. But as long as I can stand in the moonlight and fight both my bloodlust and corruption, I'm going to go after whoever I truly think is red even if it kills me.
I think its extremely unlikely he is red at this point. He gave solid green cover to Blight and a bit to Jhay as well (although you could argue he did it on purpose). I just don't see him conjuring all those elements together so early in the day. Beside, Ryuu spilled the beans :D
I don't see any point is doing Drew either today, it will get more appealing as we go on though. I will only vote him if I'm so confused I don't have a decent red read to vote on at EoD.
I don't see any point is doing Drew either today, it will get more appealing as we go on though. I will only vote him if I'm so confused I don't have a decent red read to vote on at EoD.
Wait, can someone remind me again why Helz is being read as Red again?
I had to count like 6 times, but besides you and the 3 dead, that's everyone.
Going to sleep now. If you guys find a Red, don't let my vote stop you.
Summarizing the 3 posts that have given full reads so far and simplified it a bit.
Current reads by Den, Drew, Reg
Den- NA, ?, green
Bomma- green, red, ? (changed it)
Blight- green, green, green
Vigor- ? ? ?
Zee- green, green, green
Mary- lock green, lock blue/green, lock blue/green
Lumi- ?, blue/green, blue/green
Bro- green, red, ?
Helz - red, red, ? {I still have no answer for how specifically you think Helz is behaving differently @Drew}
Drew- blue, big blue, blue
Beer- red, green, green
Moon- ?, blue(?), red
Rinja- ?, red, ?
Nin- green, red, green
Night- green, green, ?
Regu- green, green (under duress), NA
Current reads by Den, Drew, Reg
Den- NA, ?, green
Bomma- green, red, ? (changed it)
Blight- green, green, green
Vigor- ? ? ?
Zee- green, green, green
Mary- lock green, lock blue/green, lock blue/green
Lumi- ?, blue/green, blue/green
Bro- green, red, ?
Helz - red, red, ? {I still have no answer for how specifically you think Helz is behaving differently @Drew}
Drew- blue, big blue, blue
Beer- red, green, green
Moon- ?, blue(?), red
Rinja- ?, red, ?
Nin- green, red, green
Night- green, green, ?
Regu- green, green (under duress), NA
for the love of god! When and how can we confirm his claim if HE CANNOT BE CLAIMED AT NIGHT??? something like a red that cannot friggin be killed at night? besides, if you arent aware, ninja derivative roles can escape tracker type of investigatives. @_@
whenever i play mafia torn, i always consider all claims as true but role claims are only semi alignment indicative. in reality, these roles can confuse people.. in my opinion though, the possibility of a ninja-like ability to be randomized and be given to a vampire race is quite slim. anyway, the people in question would be:
lumi
drew
and bom
lumi could be red or blue at best based on everything ive read on her claims and theories.
drew claims to be harmless. His steamy head, which he cannot control yet again, seems legit to me.
and bom... i agree that he is useful even if dead. but hey, this just made me lock green on him.. and lynching a green is bad whatever the reason in my opinion. lyching a green is just plain lousy.
so, based on that i think this is the best choice for now
unvote Drew, vote lumi
whenever i play mafia torn, i always consider all claims as true but role claims are only semi alignment indicative. in reality, these roles can confuse people.. in my opinion though, the possibility of a ninja-like ability to be randomized and be given to a vampire race is quite slim. anyway, the people in question would be:
lumi
drew
and bom
lumi could be red or blue at best based on everything ive read on her claims and theories.
drew claims to be harmless. His steamy head, which he cannot control yet again, seems legit to me.
and bom... i agree that he is useful even if dead. but hey, this just made me lock green on him.. and lynching a green is bad whatever the reason in my opinion. lyching a green is just plain lousy.
so, based on that i think this is the best choice for now
unvote Drew, vote lumi
@Den, you asked somewhere why I voted Vigor instead of a scumread? I don't see any pt at this time of voting moon or bom. Vigor is the most difficult to read atm so I want to force him to post more.
Also partially because I misunderstood what drew was trying to do last game but irrelevant for now :D
Also partially because I misunderstood what drew was trying to do last game but irrelevant for now :D
Also, I forgot to mention earlier, but I changed my stance on Den from ? to green as shown in the tally above.
Taking a big risk here, but he went out of his way to stop lynches on Bom which actually makes sense. He also seems to be against killing Drew right now but acknowledged it is right to do so in a few turns. No logical inconsistencies here and he's playing like how a town would if he were highly skilled. Although, since he is highly skilled could just be a ruse. Need to gamble a bit I guess. If Den is still alive D5 with night kills every day, lynch him :P
Taking a big risk here, but he went out of his way to stop lynches on Bom which actually makes sense. He also seems to be against killing Drew right now but acknowledged it is right to do so in a few turns. No logical inconsistencies here and he's playing like how a town would if he were highly skilled. Although, since he is highly skilled could just be a ruse. Need to gamble a bit I guess. If Den is still alive D5 with night kills every day, lynch him :P
This logic only kinda makes sense. Yes, a green with the ability to vote while dead is useful. However, B0mma has the safe utility while alive and able to vote - with the added benefit of being able to contribute to the conversation or explain why they voted / unvoted.
DENMON's post is also the last one on the page, so I saw it as I was typing, and he has a good point. We don't know what, if any, extra info B0mma can get while dead....or that they will continue to vote after death.
DENMON's post is also the last one on the page, so I saw it as I was typing, and he has a good point. We don't know what, if any, extra info B0mma can get while dead....or that they will continue to vote after death.
I want to vote Lum right now, will you join me?
I voted Lum randomly day one because I thought her cunning should be recognised. At that point, I had no idea who could be what alignment. I prefer a day 1 lynch over a no-lynch. The way I see it, in day 1 everyone starts on equal ground so everyone is fair game. Day 2 can be just as unproductive as day 1 if no one dies day 1 and the reds are successful in killing a green in night one then what could be said on day 2 that couldn't have been said in day 1?
We only have something to talk about because of Bum and Mary. We could have just as easily have had nothing if not for chance.
Nights belong to the mafia. As a green, we should make our days count by not letting our vision get clouded by filler chatter. We don't have any other way to kill but by lynching.
The fact that so many of you would rather overlook an obvious target for speculation and poor logic baffles me.
You yourself said that blues tend to side with red. Every day drew is alive is a day he can participate in a mislynch with no real consequence to himself. And you want to wait until day 4 to call him out?
I changed my vote from Lum to Erugon because to me day one is the best day for reds to sow seeds of doubt that won't bloom until later on in the game. Had Erugon not died, I'd be going hard on him right now. Admittedly, I didn't know Erugon was red, it was just a hunch. Had I used day 1 logic today or any other day going forward, it wouldn't have made sense. To me the people not wanting to kill someone either abstained or intentionally voted on someone who didn't have votes already. I'm suspicious of those people too, I just haven't gotten around to calling them out yet.
Here's my logic for why I suspected Erugon:
1. Erugon is experienced to know about the popular theory that reds tend not to bus reds on day 1 unless they have no choice. When that happens, reds tend not to be the first vote.
2. Erugon is most likely asleep at the time of day change. If Lum is red, he couldn't risk leaving his vote on her because either he wouldn't have been back in time to change it or had he changed it at the last minute and Lum flipped red, it would have been suspicious. At that time Zak had three votes on him. He couldn't have well joined that else he'd have made it a bandwagon and he couldn't have left his vote on Lum at risk of someone else voting for her.
(Note that I'm using retroactive logic, it's somewhat clouding my ability to describe what I think but that's because to me I see two pieces that look like they go well together. I'm trying my best to explain what I see but I see others aren't following it.)
3. All red behaviour is meaningful retrospectively. Reds would use different strategies from day 1 so you can't see they are working together. There's probably a red who voted Abstain to try to blend. I totally plan on getting to those players tomorrow if I live through the night. For now, greens are careless and clumsy, especially on day 1. A good strategy for red is to look careless and clumsy on day 1 while actually not being.
Say Erugon hadn't died lady night but instead he had died day 3 or 4. Greens would look back and town lock his votes and not reconsider until day 6 or 7 when we'll probably be down to the last red or two. I'm trying to make sure that doesn't happen by putting fire to Lum.
I see Erugon's moves as precise and deliberate.
I see Lum as shifty.
I see Drew as a road block.
I see Mary as an unknown element in willing to let be for now.
I see all the others are people I will drill tomorrow. Just because I'm not questioning them doesn't mean I'm not reading what they're saying.
I voted Lum randomly day one because I thought her cunning should be recognised. At that point, I had no idea who could be what alignment. I prefer a day 1 lynch over a no-lynch. The way I see it, in day 1 everyone starts on equal ground so everyone is fair game. Day 2 can be just as unproductive as day 1 if no one dies day 1 and the reds are successful in killing a green in night one then what could be said on day 2 that couldn't have been said in day 1?
We only have something to talk about because of Bum and Mary. We could have just as easily have had nothing if not for chance.
Nights belong to the mafia. As a green, we should make our days count by not letting our vision get clouded by filler chatter. We don't have any other way to kill but by lynching.
The fact that so many of you would rather overlook an obvious target for speculation and poor logic baffles me.
You yourself said that blues tend to side with red. Every day drew is alive is a day he can participate in a mislynch with no real consequence to himself. And you want to wait until day 4 to call him out?
I changed my vote from Lum to Erugon because to me day one is the best day for reds to sow seeds of doubt that won't bloom until later on in the game. Had Erugon not died, I'd be going hard on him right now. Admittedly, I didn't know Erugon was red, it was just a hunch. Had I used day 1 logic today or any other day going forward, it wouldn't have made sense. To me the people not wanting to kill someone either abstained or intentionally voted on someone who didn't have votes already. I'm suspicious of those people too, I just haven't gotten around to calling them out yet.
Here's my logic for why I suspected Erugon:
1. Erugon is experienced to know about the popular theory that reds tend not to bus reds on day 1 unless they have no choice. When that happens, reds tend not to be the first vote.
2. Erugon is most likely asleep at the time of day change. If Lum is red, he couldn't risk leaving his vote on her because either he wouldn't have been back in time to change it or had he changed it at the last minute and Lum flipped red, it would have been suspicious. At that time Zak had three votes on him. He couldn't have well joined that else he'd have made it a bandwagon and he couldn't have left his vote on Lum at risk of someone else voting for her.
(Note that I'm using retroactive logic, it's somewhat clouding my ability to describe what I think but that's because to me I see two pieces that look like they go well together. I'm trying my best to explain what I see but I see others aren't following it.)
3. All red behaviour is meaningful retrospectively. Reds would use different strategies from day 1 so you can't see they are working together. There's probably a red who voted Abstain to try to blend. I totally plan on getting to those players tomorrow if I live through the night. For now, greens are careless and clumsy, especially on day 1. A good strategy for red is to look careless and clumsy on day 1 while actually not being.
Say Erugon hadn't died lady night but instead he had died day 3 or 4. Greens would look back and town lock his votes and not reconsider until day 6 or 7 when we'll probably be down to the last red or two. I'm trying to make sure that doesn't happen by putting fire to Lum.
I see Erugon's moves as precise and deliberate.
I see Lum as shifty.
I see Drew as a road block.
I see Mary as an unknown element in willing to let be for now.
I see all the others are people I will drill tomorrow. Just because I'm not questioning them doesn't mean I'm not reading what they're saying.