Common Crime CE & Money gain

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If you are talking 9 nerve crimes, you are talking about computer virus crimes…not hacking. Those are the 18 nerve crimes. Though it’s plausible, since they are similar, that they both are similarly effected

So if I'm reading this right, you can do hack FBI in a meat warehouse and grow your CE at a rate that is 2.5 times slower than doing arsons? So hacking in a meat warehouse is a net positive?

Yeah, pretty much

How can i put a bounty

You seem thoroughly lost and confused. PM me if you want general help with how things in Torn work.

Do you lose crime exp if you fail a crime and get hospilized? I heard some say yes, some say very little and some say no.

I believe it was Ched that confirmed some CE is lost on a hospitalization fail in a Bugs & Issues post. However, it must be a small amount or it wouldn’t have gone unnoticed for so long

This is correct. You lose a small amount, confirmed by Bogie here

You do, and while on Arson the loss is very low, were checked (looks like confirmed) that self-hosp on kidnap cop is very harmful (source -> mug's Crime Data ), being ~38 arson of dmg.

I am not sure if someone has done this. Anyways. I just started. Hit 55 nnb a bit ago and switched to only kidnap woman. Hope it works out.

Awesome. Keep us in the loop!

It's a little early to start generalizing this outcome just yet, but I managed to get from 50nnb to 55nnb with only 3237 arsons worth of CE and a combination of Planned Robberies and Money Trains. I tried to faithfully perform arsons while on cannabis cooldown since the wiki hints it improves crime success. So cannabis really may make a difference, even past success cap. Will have another data point when I get to 60nnb.. 4800ish arsons worth from now....

Update on these numbers after more than one month:


Total: 2043
Success: 1315 (64.4%)
Fail: 728 (35.6%)
Average gain: $14400
Average gain/Nerve: $960

My success rate is still lower than the reported rate here (64.4% vs 65.9%), could it be that the success cap is actually higher than previously thought?

With a 65.9% success rate there is a 12% chance your actual success rate will be 64.4% or lower in 2043 attempts. Probably not statistically significant yet.

The 65.9% success rate is based on 2163 attempts, so is it actually not statistically significant itself?

I haven’t updated the graphic in a while but my current success rate is 65.0% (a little lower than what is shown) with roughly 4700 attempts. It calculates out to 1% below Arson Warehouse but still well within the margin of error.

Not sure how that plays into the discussion but thought I would share

Sounds close enough to pursue for people that still need those merits (Kidnaps count as thefts, correct?)

Correct. That’s exactly why I switched to Kidnap Woman after hitting 10k fraud. It’s slow going to the theft merits but it’s at least working towards something while still being the fastest way to build CE

Why does being a Meat Warehouse appear not to make a difference in "% of Arson CE gain/nerve" for Arson Warehouse (among others like Stealth Virus) but it does for FBI Hacking?

Is this because some crimes don't have red fails to cut the loss in half?

Yeah, essentially the penalty for failing an arson is already negligible so reducing the penalty even further doesnt make a measurable difference