me about SMTH

I've originally wanted to post this in smth about SMTH | Faction Discussion | TORN as a response, but it kind of outgrew itself into something that should be a post of it's own as I kept writing and digging, and seeing that the thread was mass upvoted by their own members to attempt deflecting the recent attention and make us believe their innocent puppy eyes, even more so. smth wants to talk about SMTH, well then why don't we talk about SMTH. Let's start!

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So just taking a small glance at one of your most obvious factions of them all, November Chopin, we can see that about 68 out of 97 people are all directors of large companies. Below is a screenshot of the lowest 15 players to further talk about.


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Further inspecting these players, we can see that all of them without a fail have 4b-10b NWs minimum, with minimum of 2 xans/day up to 3.5 xans, and awards earned in a ratio that competes with my own merit hunt from couple years ago. No matter what you tell me about strong ties, teaching and guidance, your race and culture is simply not superior to others as that is what you're claiming with your responses, we also teach and guide others, we also have strong ties, and I have yet to see factions that have this large mass of a "top tier performing min maxed no mistake" players at couple months old, with no fodder of mediocre players in-between. It just doesn't exist.

If you want to play the victim race card, then I suggest you actually look at what you're saying with all those racial comments about yourselves, which discriminate the rest of us, making you the racists. Stop being cheap and defend what you're being accused of with facts and proof, instead of gish galloping and playing victim cards.

I've had my own personal experience with one "player" from SMTH essentially scamming day 0 greenleaves I recruited in my training sub faction. After spending 100m in bounties on him, 200m in flight delays, 80m in toilet papers and 50 of my own attacks, to make him stop, he wouldn't. In fact, he continued to E-CAN TRAIN with no happiness, giving up on flying, and paying 2-4m per worker in his start up large company, for months, as a completely random 160 days old player with 10b NW and 250 awards nobody ever heard of. No genuine player will do this unless you take into account the theory I wrote up at the end of this thread.

Let's get some facts in, these are the confirmed fedded SMTH members:

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With the recent fedding of Notorious Crew owner and leadership:

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With MMCP being yet another, recently confirmed faction with more multis, and leaders there ADMITTING to be all supporting and accepting cheating in this game, while being past cheaters themselves:

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We now have to look at the map and territories surrounding all of you:

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And simply see the obvious for ourselves with our own eyes. 5 factions full of fedded multis (one of them being the actual leader) with large multi history and accusations, all placing together on a map next to each other as alliance.

After unhealthy amount of stalking through your profiles, I've also noticed a pattern that many of your players are seemingly "asked" to upload irl picture of themselves as a proof. The concerning part is that a lot of these are kids, 12-14 years old:

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While it may be possible they are genuine players, it's way more possible that another scenario with these kids and IRL verifications is happening, which I will list below.


Now let's get to the point, there's only 2 viable scenarios I'm seeing here that are happening in accordance to what you provided as your explanation in your public AMA thread defending SMTH:

You're either really really good at recruiting insanely active and smart players from your local communities, possibly via interviews as you can tell who will have 500 xans and 200 awards at 150 days before it happens, and make no mistake in introducing those exact players to the game , that never quit, and that you have IRL ties to, hence why they stay and you can show this deep level of trust to offer them these "loans", while in reality you're buying them off and then wage slaving them and making profit off of your own people without them knowing, or with them accepting it, and them entirely believing you in everything you tell them, which makes me believe you're creating propaganda, echo chambers and brainwashing them before they can talk to the others, if they're able to via language barrier.


Or (my favorite and what I actually believe)

The owner, or group of people behind SMTH, are paying these people, especially kids with lots of free time, in poor economic regions where playing a game for $5 a month could be full time job (see Runescape gold farming for Venezuela and Axie Infinity for PH etc), or simply a fun enough hobby that pays them on top. When I remember me being a kid, I'd do a lot more than play a game to get some money. The ones that are not kids, are just students or people who also are interested to make some more valuable money in their conditions. I have seen very similar behavior and playstyles from players personally when I myself played Axie Infinity and was involved with the community there. Very large mass of people, all taking it very seriously and playing as well as they can, because they want to get paid by playing a game instead of working a job in tough economic country.

Now why this theory works, you ask? Well... you can give them all the money you need them to get running, because they will never betray you, money runs the world and they want your money. Similarly, they will never speak against you, and they will all make sure they find their time and do as they're told, because again, money.

What's the deal with fedding and multis then? Obviously, people who are in it for money, will try to get even more, most of these fedded multis are people dumb enough to try and run a multi to earn even more from y'all, which supports the whole idea and why there's so many of multis fedded in your case, but more importantly, with the NC leader being fedded recently, it proves that the group behind all of this is, in fact, running multi themselves too, possibly to handle the RWs and everything with direct control and influence. I can imagine running what you're running to be a nightmare if you had to entirely entrust the deal to people you can't know will fulfill what you're asking them of, especially if you're so deep invested into it.

What's the end game of this? RMT, of course. Nobody will do the level of what you're doing and investment you've made without a plan and way to profit. There's a reason you're all running companies, RWs, and trying to get your place in rackets on map. You're collectively farming money to sell via RMT for the end group that are paying all these players couple $ IRL to even play to begin with, whether they know of this motive or not, I can't tell but I highly doubt they would. They're just having fun playing the game as a hobby and getting paid for it, that's all they care for.

This is also the entire reason why Bogie's hands are tied and why he has so little evidence to act upon the entire community in SMTH besides the obvious ones going rogue and trying to earn even more. Is what SMTH is doing against the rules? I think so, but even if not, the motive of RMT for the owners definitely is.

Call me crazy, call me no-lifer for taking my time to write this theory and supply it with logic and facts, but it's what I've been theorizing for a long time ever since I saw their early days of RW, and pieces are slowly falling together. I'm sick of seeing this and it's going to get way worse yet.

Hate me or love me, I've done my part here. Peace

Answer is in my original post at the bottom to it.

How many multis did you pay to investigate and write this masterpiece?

Honestly, I think you're right. It's plausible that they are a community of players all from the same area/suburb/city/region/country etc. But the level of coordination and performance is unbelievable.

I'm going to justify my thoughts -

EVERY new player has access to all the guides and things needed to be a top performer.

EVERY new player can join a RW faction and be given the means and guidance (mostly) to have some level of income to make the gains needed.

A SMALL PORTION of new players will play the game perfectly and will not deviate.

F*CK ALL new players will be given the opportunity to be opening a big dick company at such a young age, whether through their own NW, through their faction's NW, or a torn friend's NW.

100% certified multi farm lol

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If you can take a day one noob and turn them into something useful in quick-time using the guides and tutorials its also obvious you could use the same method to teach people how to be effective multi account users without getting caught. The collective knowledge of that community on how to cheat on this game will be vast.

Its a meme at this point but also accepted I think that most of those accounts are directly or in-directly controlled by cheaters

Is there really anyone left in the game that isn't aware those factions are almost entirely made of multis?

Umm ok

Speaking from personal experience when pulling back layers of cheaters botters and hackers in games when peeling back the final layer I found child labor. The more tools you take away the more cheaters and RMTers specifically fall back until all that's left is child labor.

Caught one literally sharing a video with a customer proving it was safe to buy from him and they wouldn't get banned. The video was a room full of kids on the game. (Looked like a classroom)

What gets me is cheaters usually target the most profitable games. Torn doesn't seem like it'd be very profitable for RMT but maybe I'm wrong. There's also the time vs profit and if you're running a specific patten as they seemingly are, Torn is a very small time investment so it could be a secondary resource.

guys if you think that the staffs are soft the multi, make an alliance with the other faction families and destroy SMTH.

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TL;DR: Myanmar 2.0

Much easier and cheaper to pay a kid a little money to take a photo with a cue card displaying the information you want it to display, and communicate that on sites that are only accessible on the Chinese web. The Torn community is ready to accept anything as long as there is a photo with a cue card, so then, problem solved for them.

But the similarities between responses of these players in similar situations that go far beyond what would reasonably be detailed in any guide or by any mentoring tree goes so far beyond the scope of random chance that their efforts to convince anybody that there isn't a very very small group of players there controlling a not-insignificant number of accounts.

I like to joke that it's all one person playing all those accounts, but in reality, the number is much more likely 7-8 people controlling at least 30 accounts between them, and in one faction, one person controlling at least 8 of those.

he is the hero torn community deserves!
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or maybe they are a group of school kid that like to play the same game, like how most kid like to play the same games as their peer and they get advice irl about the meta in the torn. Are you salty that a bunch of teenage have a better faction than you?

Amazing analysis!

Let's be real, pretty much anyone that spends more than 5 min a day on the game has a better faction than him.

Basically if you're so certain and it bothers you so much, sack up and take their territory while raiding them at the same time.

TBH wouldn't blame them for raiding OP at this point. Would even go so far to say they're a bit soft if they don't. Make a statement. Let's see some action off the forum.

Paying sounds about right, I was starting to think this myself over the last few days. As it makes 100% sense how they keep 'loaning' money out to new players, they get Fedded then do it again via new account. Gold/Money Farming in online games is 100% real. It could be more than them just paying people, very well could be a huge money-making RMT system which seemingly is the case (minus a few rare exceptions).

I was told they get Names, Phone Numbers, Addresses, etc of all new players to get their 'loans'.

Nobody does that for a game unless money is involved. It sounded a bit ridiculous anyway and now even more so.