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  • Qfiffle [2557282] Committee · 2 likes ·
    Kinda but using an FHC is the most expensive possible way to make up 700k-1m e lol. Use 20 x goose juice or 10 x damp valley, which is only 1-2 days' worth of booster cooldown, and would give the …
  • Qfiffle [2557282] Committee · 1 likes ·
    It's also worth bearing in mind that unless you are rehabbing daily or using candy, you'll mostly sit a fair bit lower than your max happy. So it's probably not 4.5k vs 5k, it's 4k vs 4.5k or even 3.5k …
MrUndwar [2650886] · #1 · edited

Im looking for someone who understands Torn math..

 

Im in a PI without yacht. Happy is 4525

Im around 1.5B stats.For argument sake and easier math lets say im completely balanced build. 

 

How much % am I loosing in my training (3xan, base+refill) because of the yacht. Or because im not on 5025?

%vise

 

Would that loss be mitigated with a Extra FHC in my training, and if yes when.. 1 weekly, 1 monthly or even 1 in a few months. 

 

Thank you. 

 

Will supply a small gift to the one who can give me a concrete answer. 

 

cRuci4L [1504957] · #2 · edited

With using 1/4 of 1.5b, George's Gym, Starting balanced stat of 375,000, 15% steadfast, and 1620 energy a day on a single stat then.....

Happy 4525
After 100 days that stat would be 232,668,142

Happy 5025
After 100 days that stat would be 235,870,645

That is a 3.2m difference. The previous days of training are gaining you 4.5m. I'm sure in 100 days you can add an extra 1600 energy with fhc or waking up out of your sleep and staying slightly over 3 xan/day

MrUndwar [2650886] · #3

So basicly not worth to invest 500m in a yaccht.. like never. Rather buy a stat Enhancer once your in the range and use it. 

ArttiIsGod [1954421] Wiki Contributor · #4 · edited

Yacht can be always sold, SE can never be sold back.

 

Worth to check math for 1000 days or 3000 days. Owning PI is valuable only after 7 to 10 years.

 

Also worth to check perhaps in different stat ranges too like 1 billion.

 

At 200 million  stat the difference is 3.4 million after 100 days. One SE at this range gives 2 million. So basically yacht gives you SE (and more) worth stats every 100 days. Someone has to calculate for different stat ranges as well.

cRuci4L [1504957] · #5 · edited

Starting at 2b on a single stat and going for 1 year...

Happy 4525
4.769 billion

Happy 5025
4.788 billion

Starting at 10b on a single stat and going for 1 year...

Happy 4525
16.052 billion

Happy 5025
16.094 billion

Shooby [2510470] · #6 · edited

The difference in those compared in investment value, is you lose the money outright using an SE. Obviously yes when you hit the point of SEs and when it's financially feasible, it's going to be more beneficial to do so.

 

But If you sell your current PI and buy a max pi for 1.64b, you'll never actually lose that money. You can resell it to get every penny back whenever you want. I have a couple extra laying around, can rent you one for a month or so for free if you want so you can do your own 30 day comparison based off your specific stats.

Qfiffle [2557282] Committee Committee · #7 · edited

It's also worth bearing in mind that unless you are rehabbing daily or using candy, you'll mostly sit a fair bit lower than your max happy. So it's probably not 4.5k vs 5k, it's 4k vs 4.5k or even 3.5k vs 4k depending how often you rehab and how much you train in between. If you are cans training you'll lose happy even faster.

 

The difference in training outcomes between different happy levels is not linear.

 

So one month of training 1620e per day at 15% steadfast in Georges starting at 375m gives the following gains

4.5k vs 5k happy: 875,677 total difference

4k vs 4.5k happy: 973,850 total difference

3.5k vs 4k happy: 1,084,253 total difference

 

A single FHC would give slightly over 700k gains, so mostly makes up for it.

MrUndwar [2650886] · #8

Thats the answer, so one FHC monthly ofsets the happy loss of 500m investment.. 

So after 3 years using 15 FHC yearly to offset the happy loss il be starting to generate loss..

Each month after that is a pure loss.. 

 

Ok. thank you.  

 

 

Khang2412 [2353835] · #9

In term of pure happiness yea, but FHC main thing is to give you energy. You might as well count chocolates if you want happiness only

Kami [2078764] · #10 · edited

Consider opportunity cost, everyone... your yacht doesn't grow in nominal value.

Considering 10B NW you can invest in BB and gain beyond the cost of an FHC passive, with a general tendency to increase also due to stock appreciation. That's just one month - at your level you definitely still have something free that would yield 2.xx-3.xx% a month. Let alone cumulative.

Qfiffle [2557282] Committee Committee · #11 · edited

Kinda but using an FHC is the most expensive possible way to make up 700k-1m e lol. Use 20 x goose juice or 10 x damp valley, which is only 1-2 days' worth of booster cooldown, and would give the same e for $7-8m instead of $12-13m. Yes, the FHC bumps your happy too, but the effect is minimal, and you could just use some candy or rehab more often.

 

As your stats grow, the effect of the lost happy will continue to reduce too.

 

And yes, as Kami says, if you invested that $500m it would pay for those goose/damps or even the FHC from the interest, forever.

MrUndwar [2650886] · #12

Thats exactly the point of my question.. 

Its more worth to invest in the stocks or other income streams than to buy a yacht. 

And use that money to fund extra energy to cover the happy loss.. 

No it doesnt have to be FHC ofc, but its a easier way to calculate with 1 fhc monthly than with cans :) 

 

Thank you all for confirming my calculation, and giving nice answers.