Execute doesnt bypass defense mitigation?

Somehow i always thought it did, but i was trying to get the 2x stat defend merit for a friend and it hit me for 0...

Looking for confirmation, maybe we messed up somehow (i attacked them on 10% hp and they were only using the execute)

it has to be a damaging hit to proc.

gotta do at least 1 damage

so def whore really is better than dex whore? bc sureshot can hit on a 1000x dex but execute cant hit on a 1000x def

If you're basing your entire judgment off two weapon bonuses, you're not really understanding. Even if sure shot hits, the highest possible sureshot is like 13% chance. To have a high end SS on a good base you're looking at $10b+ for a bonus that probably still going to leave you missing most shots.

If you need sure shot to hit someone and you're not one shotting them or get more than one lucky proc in a fight with it, it's pretty shit; especially for the cost of a top end SS.

im basing it off someone attacking someone else whos whored a stat

if i was to whore def and someone was to attack me, if they dont have enough strength, theres no way they can damaage me

if i was to whore dex and same scenario but with speed, theres still a small chance they can crit a sureshot on me and beat me, even if it is small 

so yeah it does depend on a bunch of stuff but down to extremes def cant be touched by bonuses and dex can

In a world where fights are always 1v1 and assuming unlimited budgets, and assuming an adherence to 'traditional' builds of incredibly defense or dex focused ratios, and looking at RW weapons but not armor to judge the answer... then yea sure defense is better probably. But isolating your scenarios to extremes and removing variables that complicate the thought exercise doesn't really leave you with anything meaningful to say.

Shooby's kinda illustrating the mindset to take on, consider actual fights you might find yourself in that you care about, and what stats/bonuses/gear actually make an impact to their results. 

Empower, motivate and steroids all work fine against a DEF whore. If you're still doing 0 damage after this, you probably shouldn't be attacking the person anyway.

Thanks for the answers everyone :) definitely clearer now.

Ill think on what yall said about the def vs dex

Big def has always been superior while simultaneously trying to convince everyone else dex is better. Though I wouldn't say this is the reason why.

Anyone who believes the defense industry is delusional.

The real truthers know Big Strength clears it all 

Isn't deadly the better comp vs sureshot?

Neither are great alone. Mix them with a non RNG like piercing and they're god tier though. Makes no sense to swap gear in the middle of a banger to try to target 1 dex/def whore. But if you get them attached to a badass gun you're a danger to them by default while playing normally.

As been said before empower, epi and motivate all counter def whores and it doesnt scale as well when the stats are more similar (2x def vs opponents str is worse than 2x dex vs opponents speed). Dex users also have way more options to boost their dex higher and reduce opponents speed. 

Also even with max sureshot and 25 turns (probably not likely since theyre hitting you back) you’ll get 3 shots on average…not likely to finish them esp since high end armours do so much mitigation nowadays. 

This topic of def vs dex has been discussed to death. Bottom line is pick which you prefer just dont be a speed whore.

Must be a damaging hit to proc.  All rw perks with a proc require damage to be inflicted. One reason many like the Defense whoring and/or EOD.

Ignore big defense industry man here.

If they're a dex whore they can't take hits and 1/3 when they have 1 quadrillion dex is insanely powerful. 500% damage hit is still going to do 0 damage if someone mitigates you to 0. Source: My gun does over 400% every hit but if someones def puts me to or near 0 I still do 0 or near 0.

You can certainly mitigate speed debuffs also what the f**k that got to do with def vs dex? If someone can't hit they can't hit, you can use that on an enemy regardless of your def/dex.

There are plenty of ways to boost def as much as dex. Both have temps, you can say tyro adds more, but that more is less effective, and serotonin adds HP which acts as a multiplier on def AND can be stacked with the healing portion.

On top of all that, the armor on armors itself is much more powerful adding another defense multiplier, and add EOD to that and now you got a bunch of their hits doing 0, strong armor to stack on your def, Sero stacking healing repeatedly, and again, doesn't matter if you do 500% of 0 damage, it's still 0. But if you bypass 1 quazillion dex, they're still dead as f**k, 1 in 3 shots? That's a LOT of hits.

Bottom line, this guys on drugs.