HT vs Nameless Alliance Sector 7 Showdown

They are already sitting on a lot of OBN land south of us. Way better and bigger territories than we currently have. So when we are going to divide this land on like 10 factions, the blue land is a very minimum of what we need.

So you again chose to put everyone in that predicament… so your not looking for peace your going for a hostile takeover. 

Just admit it mate and then people would just accept that’s your goal. But doubt your going to get a peace agreement if your wanting to simultaneously kick them off all their land 🤣 

We have tried different suggestions on finding solutions. Both Nameless and OBN have gotten different solutions presented from us. They have all been turned down. 

A minimum for us is all the blue territories. We have been very clear on this the last week.

From my point of view, this TT war was fun. peraps it will finish soon, who knows? Now it starts to be a little bit long, need training FFS.

HT walls are kind of easy, but IB one are quite strong lol.

Continue to have fun to shoot at eachother :) See you in the battlefield :D

Nameless started a war, they’re currently losing it, and now HT/NWA are somehow expected to make concessions? That makes absolutely no sense.

I don't really see nameless complaining about borders or whatnot though. HT and the team have the ability to take over the blue terts via force, or they can continue to complain about not being able to push into OBN lands. 

I'm more confused as to why they were asking so many questions before it started, started prepping for their own fight and are now complaining that they were jumped(when they were intending on taking the first move) and that they can't push into OBN land meanwhilst some of nameless(where they knew there was a slight overlap with the alliances) are able to sit and not have to worry. 

Theres a lack of responsibility on both sides for sure, I don't see why Prynce needed to post his chats with D3vl, and I don't see why people are complaining about the system that they knew was in place before either side started fighting

Don't complain if/when you're held to this ;)

As much asHT & Co did amazing job winning the fight, i'll just say that there has not been much of a negotiation if what Mikk said above is true.  I would fully expect you guys to be able to re-do the defense, if it were to come to that, but i think you might be wise to just assume that its going to happen and keep the strong factions at strategic locations.

That said, if there is a genuine interest in a strategic partnership with OBN or Nameless, im sure you'd assume there needs to be some sort of give from both sides. Otherwise its only demanding of stuff, not a true negotiation. I am not in a position to influence any decisions by either party, but just by words like these alone, im not shocked people decline the offerings. 

What is said is that NWA want all this land. On top of that they want peaceful terms by nameless? There is no incentive or benefit by the other party to agree to these terms. So why would that happen? As, they can just sit where they are and have another go later if they gain nothing from agreeing to the terms. Imo, it is ignorant from not seeing it from the other side as well. 

I did ask this same question on like page 15 or 16 of this thread. Very early on regardless but it got dismissed rather than actually thought about back then. I did that out of not self interest, but genuinely curious how that would play out and hopefully prompting some thoughts from all sides. I have zero stake in this matter.

Nameless had every advantage in this fight including safe TT's to attack from and the element of surprise. Yet they have been pushed off the map by a defence which had not even organised before they began their assault. 

The previous Island war proved these far sectors are strategically important. If a group of random factions can push their alliance from this area, why would OBN want them guarding it? It just creates a very soft belly for anyone else to attack.

Most intelligent and reasonable take in this entire thread.

Please have a look at the map, and zoom out. 

The blue land we are asking for is tiny compared to the land Nameless is sitting safe on, defended by OBN.

Our start negotiations was on way more land that we are currently asking for. So yes, we have moderated our demands a lot during negotiations with OBN and Nameless.

Lmao is HT trying to take credit for anything???  All they did was lose. While.  UNT  took some Nameless TTs  while Nameless was busy with HT and some other factions 

Im not sure why any of this is important in terms of negotiating the area north west. There is no denying NWA did well to get their mission done. 

Not sure how any of what you said about the land having strategic value and you seeing it as soft belly is of any importance in that matter. All of us in OBN earned our stay. You claiming Nameless is not worth it or that someone could/should do better? Or that the land they sit on that is OBN land is something anyone else would have some sort of claim for? I fail to see the relevance of the whole reply tbh.

As soon as the fighting started yeah NW jumped into the forums like:

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I do agree that this was a very sloppy plan that seemed to just be thrown together on a whim without a single forethought, or any considerations for strategy outside of, "get them before they can fully prepare to get us." Personally speaking, bad idea. There's an old saying "the best defense is a good offense." So nameless showing they're wreckless and thoughtless as they've always been. But at least they didn't cry about being attacked like "oh no! My poorly protected plans were ruined by spies!" Both sides hopefully learned something from this exchange. 

Yes but you knew the limitations of the land to start with, especially when more factions got involved. Im not trying to say you do not have claims for some sort of area, but still, asking for everything while giving up nothing, is still not a negotiation. Its a demand.

And with all due respect, nothing is stopping you from having a try at any land on the map. Be that OBNs, WWs or Cryptos.

Starting negotiations from getting something you do not have, would probably start the whole negotiation in a faul taste and probably get a bad response. Having started from we want blue and then giving some up for the promised peace by the other sides, would have been where i would have started as, that would make sense.

The factions in NWA deserve to be on this land just as much (or more) than Nameless. And yes, we have fought for it, and we have been here for years.

I am not putting my nose into OBN matters, but if you ask me i obviously dont think the close cooperations between nameless and OBN is a good move for OBN in the long run. Only that benefit from this is Nameless.

For us we have done negotiations for weeks now, and not been met on much of what we have been asking for. So now we are down to our minimun demands, and that is the blue tiles on the map i posted. 

We dont stand a chance against OBN, WW or Cryptos, and you know that very well. 

I have had good talks with Stretch in OBN, and we have an understanding on what we can and can not do, and i intend to respect that.

Like i said first of, there is no denying NWA did great and i do agree, you deserve to be where you are. Also like i said before, if that alone is your end goal, then you are already very close to completing that. There literally is not much left ot have completed that.

Like i tried ot say though few posts ago. If you want a peace agreement, i dont think that would happen without there being some give. As, there is no reason for other side to agree to it. So its all about compromise. You either take what you have and what you can, put people into good position to defend in the future and hold it by force. Or you negotiate a deal that is beneficial to both. You can do what you will with that opinion, but like i said, if i was in a position to make the call, i would not agree to anything more than to stay in my current lane.

As for what you feel about Nameless' value. Personally i disagree about them not being a worthy ally. They proved that in the past already. Also, i fail to see how Nameless' benefit would not benefit OBN in long term.

And like i have tried to say the last posts, we have done the compromise already. We wanted way more land than our current claim. I belive Nameless should be satisfied with sitting on OBN land after this. There might be a time when OBN want the land back, or they discover they are better off without Nameless. So we are happy with the current situation (when we have all the blue tiles), and i hope Nameless can learn to live with the situation as well.

I am not saying Nameless are without value. They have some very good fighters in most of their factions. Had they put all the fighers in one faction they would have been a top faction in TC. The problem is that only 10% in each faction is pulling their weight. They lack activity due to years of non activity. What they proved in the past dont cut it today. 

You're not entirely wrong, good fighters, and good stats don't make up for poor activity. Nameless as a whole are hobbiy-ists and don't adopt meta forms of gameplay, a very obvious pitfall for the long-term. 

I believe I've actually said this before... But... I can't quite remember when that was... 🤔

Adaptive gameplay is better than settling for strategies that fail to maintain long-term consistency. 

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There's some great people, and great potential, but needs refinement.