Any Greenlanders? Discuss USA + Greenland

Hi,

I'm hoping for an honest discussion here, without trolling, if thats possible in Torn. 😊

Id love to talk to any Greenlandic(?) players for "boots on the ground" opinions. I see many articles talking about Greenlanders telling us to go away, and I can respect that, but I distrust the media. I am curious to know if they would ultimately care who their owner is, Denmark or US, especially if we gave each person there $100k as a buy out? 

I'm an American. I live in NY, a very liberal state, but am a conservative. I support Trump, but I do not identify as MAGA. Trump is human and not infallible. 

I don't believe Trump has any intention of  of seizing or invading Greenland. This is pure rhetoric from Trump because he loves to keep everyone guessing and off balance so he can ultimately get what he wants, and sometimes that's not very clear from his initial asks.  

Why does Trump want Greenland?

All my personal opinion

1. Natural Resources: Yes, they are there, but would be extremely difficult (expensive) to obtain compared to other current sources. 

The keyword here is "current". Over the long run oil and other resources will become scarcer than they are.  We all need oil, and whoever has it last will survive the longest. 

The US has possibly the largest untapped oil reserves on the planet in Alaska. We currently claim this is not tapped for environmental preservation. What makes more sense is that we are saving that for the last resort in 50-100 years. 

Adding Greenland to this long term reserve would be beneficial to the United States. 

2. National Defense / Golden Dome: This appears to be the prime reason for wanting Greenland. I read a lot of people in the media saying its not a big deal, there's nothing there, and hes crazy, etc. Except, lets just do one exercise.  Lets say you are Russia or China - Would you want a base on Greenland? HELL YES you would...

What will happen

My prediction is that Greenland will end up having a vote or referendum on joining the US. This will probably include some kind of bribe / payoff from us. IF it passes, they would probably become a territory like Guam, Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands.

If anyone wants to attack me or anything, please attack Ched instead. 

Ok, Tornizens... Have at it. 

Fossil fuels are a thing of the past and Trump looks out for Trump. If it happens, I predict a shitty golf course. 

80% of the worlds energy is generated via fossil fuels, I don't believe its going anywhere any time soon. When do you predict an end to fossil fuels?

Oil is also not produced by fossils, thats a myth. 

Yes, oil is produced from the remains (organic matter) of ancient living things. Giant bones from lizards? No, excuse me for not specifying. 

Estimated Time Until Resource Depletion

If current consumption rates were to remain constant (a "business as usual" scenario), global reserves for the three primary fossil fuels are estimated to last as follows:

• Oil: Approximately 47 to 56 years, potentially running out by the early 2070s.
• Natural Gas: Approximately 49 to 53 years, with some estimates extending to 90–120 years depending on the discovery of new reserves.
• Coal: Approximately 114 to 139 years, making it the most abundant but also the most polluting fossil fuel.

I just Googled it. If you disagree, I guess Google harder. 

I agree with these numbers. But you said fossil fuels are a thing of the past... Showing me these numbers does not substantiate your thoughts?

Also, I know the typical definition of fossil fuels and where most people believe they come from. I also realize this is a strength for people to consider because we have been taught this our entire lives. But do a but of research and you will see. I know this is anecdotal, but thin kabout the OCEANS of oil, as big as our surface oceans. That's what we have been mining. That's from dinosaur bones? And all consolidated in specific regions only?

And Gold is Dinosaur shit, lol (jk) 

STRETCH not STRENGTH. Sorry typo

China is hard on its way to be the technical world power, since they embrace more modern and nore infinite types of energy.

Oil might be big now, but it's definitely not the future.

They are bringing nuclear back, and we are on out way to Fusion... I just doubt we will attain mass production to replace the energy released from oil in time, before there is a massive collapse due to lack of energy. 

Any Greenlanders play Torn?  

I predict an end to fossil fuels once technology stops being gatekept from countries it could seriously benefit. Solar is absolutely massive in the amount of energy we could be collecting from it and denying that shows a lack of understanding of how much solar energy gets wasted on Earth instead of captured and used.

Fusion power is another big one that's actually right around the corner - Helion is scheduled to put operating plants in place in 2028.

Oil IS produced by fracking which is inherently harmful to soil and water supplies, drastically reducing the amount of food we could be producing instead and leading to more and more dust bowls, deserts growing, and forests eroding.

Nah, it will be more solar, fusion was promised in the 50's last century or before already and it's still nowhere near implementation, it's the thing that is always almost there lol.

Nuclear power, sure, it will help on the short term, but in the long term we probably see more other forms of energy, my guess will be a lot of solar. You can't just stamp out nuclear plants quickly, it takes a lot of time to build that, but existing ones are important to keep maintained and working.

I'm am US citizen, not a Greenlander.

I believe he wants Greenland because he's told to want Greenland. I don't think Trump is as 'in control' as everyone is giving him credit for. I think he has a script, which is why there are moments that they have to walk back something he said (less now, but it's been A LOT), he reads private notes out loud during meetings, and from my perception, he struggles to complete sentences and read.

Just to give you context on where I stand, I'm not a Biden supporter, I don't even like the US government and I think Obama was the last decent president we had, but before him, there was no one worth a damn since JFK. Nixon and Reagan sold us out the most to foreign governments and big corporations.

Now, to seriously and thoughtfully reply to the initial post here:

1. Where's my 100k buyout? What about America first? Sure, Russia or China could want Greenland if they seek war, but to me, this all came out of nowhere right as we were starting to be able to dig into what's been released of the Epstein Files so far; an extremely disapponting 1% and it's being blocked by Trump officials. Strange to me.

I agree that it would be supremely beneficial if we have no other forms of energy production, but we do have them and they're better. In addition to Helion, that I mentioned in the other post, there're also companies like Quaise Energy that are wanting to repurpose coal mines to get deep geothermal energy, which is VERY promising tech and will DRASTICALLY cut down on the amount of pollution that gets tossed into the atmosphere from burning coal.

2. Sure, Russia or China might want Greenland, but they would also have to take it from Denmark and we are RIGHT HERE, as well as Canada, and neither of us would abide that, realistically. Not without some MASSIVE concessions from either country.

Weak reason, imo. Energy seems most likely.

Check out Helion and Quaise.

Yes, but it's always very close, my.guess is that we are still decades away from commercial implementation, and that's too late to stop climate change from growing out of control.

True, but Quaise is NOT decades away! They could get moving much more quickly with proper attention and funding. Helion, too, for that matter. Their projections are based on current funding, which is subject to change with substantial contracts.

I certainly hope this is true, I'm skeptical though.

Yeah, I'm hopeful! I don't think this admin will work with either one in any big capacity, but maybe the next.

I feel we (the u.s.) need to stop being the world police.  we are ALL citizens of earth, are we not?

I live in Alaska and in that sense we are a lot like Greenland.  we are separated from the 48 contiguous states by Canada and oceans. we still are expected to follow the same laws and rules as the rest but we have suffered as the red headed stepchild for a long time.  it's a lot about regulations and rules that were written by people a long way from here who don't know what its like or what special challenges we face.

we have oil, gas, minerals, natural resources in abundance.   but we cannot access and sell them for the regulations and controls placed on us by Washington.   weather we can produce them and who who we can or cannot sell them to is decided on strategic resonings that benefit others and to the determent of those trying to live and prosper here.

we are very important to the national security and that is the reason trump is wanting to acquire Greenland.

from a young man I thought we would be better off if we were a independent nation and just a member of NATO so we could be in control of our destany.  I doubt we would have much more success as the confederates in separating from the USA but to have to follow the same rules as the lower 48 in such a harsh and unforgiving environment while denied the ability to develop what we have availiable to succeed feels like we really are the red headed stepchild.

we don't need greenland for oil. we have oil and now Venezuela will hopefully be an ally again and produce the oil we in Alaska are denied the ability to produce and sell because of all the environmental rules and political reasonings.

I would wish greenland to be independant and a member of NATO. like Iceland.  I also wish we could be independant also.

just my two cents.

Pretty based take, actually. I do find it hard to believe that Greenland is relevant in the defense from Russia or China, but I'm not particularly familiar with how they're posturing on the military side of things.

it will be important to air defense and controlling the NW passage which is set to have shipping explode in the future as the passage opens up new faster routes from CHINA to the west with our being limited by panama canal.

There is no way China can launch an attack on Greenland, the logistics would not be possible and their interests are on Taiwan

And neither can Russia,   it still cannot take it's next door neighbour losing 2 million people in the process,  neither would it be able to bring a fleet across the North Atlantic without being noticed and then blown out of the water many many miles away,

It's all the tech bro's talking in the pedo rapists ear wanting minerals and resources