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Apate [2348539]

For almost the last month there has been a lot of discussion around this situation involving a select group of players from The Next Level ("TNL") and a new-to-the-game coder, Kingfisher ("KF"; previously known as "aquagloop"), from Monarch ("M"). At first glance, and based on the faction tags of the people coming out to bat for the people involved, it seems like a matter of issue between TNL and M.

 

But this is not the case. It should not be seen at the level of faction vs. faction, as at the crux of it: a handful of players and a coder got together to create and then use a mug bot that was supported by websockets in a way that—while intended to be within Torn's rules—was determined to no longer be.

 

Following the release of "The WebSocket Files" by Andrew_616, this post and the document linked with it aims to provide additional context and full transparency from as much of an objective stance as we felt possible.

 

Some things to understand before jumping into this long read + collection of screenshots:

  • This is not a reflection of either faction or family; only a handful of people were involved from TNL and only one person involved was from M.
  • I am not saying Kingfisher is entirely innocent, nor am I arguing for his punishment to be lessened, and this post is not intended to incite a witch hunt against any of the individuals involved. Personally, I respect staff's decisions on this matter, and have only taken so long to release this as to not impede their investigation.
  • This is all being shared because I feel the community deserves the closest to the full truth of the situation as we are capable of providing. I hope those who see this as a black and white situation are open to seeing some of the grey by taking the time to read some of the document linked below.

 

Without further ado...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSjNUVcYWf13D2qy43w_wzizKlwnCcE2YSLdnSRDIkw3lz4XRFbdrANfBBNnvjkOcRX3t_Go7sx9nDW/pub 

MrPringles [2873277]

Kingfisher is a tactical genius. He is best known for his signature tactic ”going M, but then fedding TNL”. He also has a second little known tactic of ”fedding TNL, but then getting fedded also”. What an absolute legend. Top 3 torn player 4 sure.

edit: more meme

 

Whole situation does come across a little bit "he said she said", but some of these screenshots do at least seem to show KF as trying to be open and honest about what he's doing, is my two cents... can't see much else coming of it, but more clarity has never been a bad thing

Sqall [2008252]

Skimmed through and feels like Letters from Iwo Jima / Flags of Our Fathers. Two stories about the same battle, even using same screenshots in both. Will be interesting to see which narrative prevails

Bumbi [3177056]

You know I think both sides are probably cherry picking screenshots, at this point just release the full chat logs and let us decide for ourselves. 

LTJELLOMAN [1161626]

maybe staff should have done a better job instead of fedding people then rewriting rules, while also giving people the greenlight to cheat for a year and letting them keep the illicit gains

Sorry for my crazy biased opinion thought to share 

CocheBasurero [3621520]

I agree with this message, 

 

Did have some prior grievance with aquagloop due to unrelated events around Halloween 

 

Really its not faction vs faction 

 

What was legal is no longer legal - the whole situation is joke and players shouldn't have been treated rhe way they were treated. 

 

Should we really be angry towards aquagloop for staff inconsistency? 

 

Or should we question all the shortcomings and failures that led to people who have contributed a lot to the community being fedded? Who went to staff to stay compliant? Yet we're failed by those whose approval they sought.

 

I've noticed the staff have been very quiet the past week. 

 

Anyways I don't know whom made this song, but it's a banger 

 

#FreeWhom