Hank's Ratio / Baldr's Ratio

So when using baldr's ratio with dex as my highest would my second stat automatically be defense? Or could I also go for strenght or speed as second stat? 

Thanks in advance. 

Defense/dexterity are paired due to specialist gym requirements - Balboas Gym requires "Defense + Dexterity 25% higher than Strength + Speed" and that's where you'd train your 2nd highest stat (def if highest stat is dex).

I run defense as my high stat with Baldr's ratio.

• I train def in specialist gym Mr. Isoyamas (8.0 dots) which requires "Defense 25% higher than your second highest stat."
• I train dex in specialist gym Balboas Gym (7.5 dots) which requires "Defense + Dexterity 25% higher than Strength + Speed."
• I train str/spd in normal gym George's (7.3 dots) which has no stat requirement.

For dex as highest instead of def, Mr. Isoyamas (def) would switch to Elites (dex), but Balboas Gym would remain the same (def+dex 25% higher than str+spd). You don't have to use the second specialist gym (it's only 7.5 vs 7.3 dots difference), so you could pair defense with strength or speed, but you just wouldn't have the 2nd specialist gym.

Edit: I suppose you could have the 2nd specialist gym if your dex (high stat) was high enough to cover the 25% requirement over str/spe.

Hey mate,

Thanks for your detailed reply, I really appreciate it. 

Allright so as far as I understand it is possible to do Baldr's ratio with Dex as highest and strenght as second but it would require some fiddling and calculations with the speficic percentages. (DEX 30,86% , DEF 24,69% and STR/SPD 22,22%). Sorry I'm not great at mathing this out, but it would not be possible to switch the % breakdown around right? 

So say I would choose Dex as highest with Strenght as my second I would essentially lose the dual stat gym which; although its only a small difference in gains compared to George's -would still not be optimal. 

So having Dex as highest and the STR/SPD dual stat gym unlocked at the same time would be possible but it would have a completely different % breakdown then.

English is not my first language so I hope this is an understandable reply.

Cheers Grim!

Yes, it would change the ratios. If you wanted a dexterity/strength combo, it wouldn't let you have the defense specialist gym at existing ratios. However, there's likely minimal difference between training at 7.3 (George's) and 7.5 (Balboas) dots if you didn't want to worry about the 2nd specialist gym.

Here's an example below using 100m total battle stats and Baldr's ratio for dexterity/strength combo.

Strength  24,690,000   24.69%
Defense  22,220,000   22.22%
Speed     22,220,000   22.22%
Dexterity 30,700,000   30.87%

• Elites specialist gym for dexterity requires dexterity to be 25% higher than strength. Since strength is 24,690,000, dexterity must be at least 30,862,500 for gym access. This is fine since your dexterity is at 30,870,000 (7,500 higher than required).
• Balboas specialist gym for defense requires dexterity+defense to be 25% higher than strength+speed. Since strength+speed is 44,440,000, defense+dexterity must be at least 58,637,500 for gym access. This is not fine since your defense+dexterity is only 53,090,000 (5,547,500 too low).
• You cannot access the specialist gyms for strength or speed because your strength+speed will never be higher than defense/dexterity with this setup.

You could tweak the ratios in any way you want as long as the numbers line up, but here's an example I came up with.

Strength  23,440,000  23.44%
Defense  21,000,000  21.00%
Speed     21,000,000  21.00%
Dexterity 34,560,000  34.56%

• Elites specialist gym (dexterity) is unlocked because dexterity is 47.44% above the 2nd highest stat and only 25% is required.
• Balboas specialist gym (defense) is unlocked because defense+dexterity is just above the 25% more than strength+speed, but there's very little wiggle room. You could push the ratio more in favor of dexterity over strength to give yourself more room, since you may run afoul of the required ratio due to rotating steadfast.
• You are heavily stacking dexterity to make up for decreased defense.

Hey mate, thanks again! 

I really appreciate your reply, This is extremely helpfull for me, Its is a great breakdown you gave me, I might try that one!

Yeah, id say main thing is having 8.0 single stat gym opened. 8.0 over 7.3 is huge. 7.3 over 7.5 is nice and over time will make a difference but as big as single stat where its almost 10% increase.

Ive been both dexterity baldrs and dexterity hanks. And i think hanks is not the play unless you have plans to SE that single stat really soon and even in that case you dropping other defensive stats not to get into ratio, but due to SE mechanics. Being in ratio is just byproduct of training one defensive stat and dropping other.

Perfect example - I'm actually running Baldr's def/str combo by accident because my dexterity is lagging behind but my defense is so far ahead that it's carrying the 2nd specialist gym (for dex). This wasn't my intent but it's what's happened with rotating steadfasts and using cans on my primary stat (defense). Dex fell behind due to stacking/wars and I just don't want to invest the money to push it above strength atm. Screenshot below is from my automated tracking spreadsheet (you can see my dex is 246.8m behind where it should be for Baldr's ratio, but my Def+Dex Actual is still higher than my Def+Dex Min due to how far ahead my defense is).

Also, free stat spy haha.

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Wow thanks, this gives me some great insight,

 I do really like this 'more heavy into one defensive stat' form of a ratio, its somewhere in between Baldr's and Hank's. I actually really like your % breakdowns, I might copy this with dex as my high stat. Well you're close to 1b on your dex I would expect you will start to whore defense even more once that milestone is reached.

Thanks again for your reply/detailed breakdowns I really appreciate it!

My current stat percentages are accidents just based on rotational training and using cans for my primary stat, for reference, but my overloaded defense does keep both specialist gyms open for def and dex.

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Is it possible to be on Hank's ratio and take full advantage of faction steadfast? What's the stat drift allowed on hanks build?

It's pretty picky, as I understand it.  Obviously I haven't used it myself, so maybe someone who does use it will chime in.

Is there a setting please in Torn PDA that allows me to check what vmy allowed gym gains are to stay within a ratio? Or a working script?

I can see how to do it using Torn Tools but not in PDA.

Many thanks.

There's a built-in script in TornPDA called "Custom Gym Ratios". Looks like it's the same script that RGiskard worked on but Kwack has modified for TornPDA.

That looks good thanks. For some reason I no longer had that built in script but have now restored it. 

Great thread. I was going balanced but the argument for Baldrs ratio won me over. Thanks for all the info and comments. 

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For the Baldr Dex build, there are specific numbers for Dex and Def, but it combines STR/SPD. Is it preferable to keep STR/SPD even, or could you build high STR, low SPD (or the reverse) as long as the combined number still fits?

You could build with high/medium/low STR, and high/medium/low SPD, as long as their combined total doesn't push you out of the ratio. 

General advice is STR higher than SPD, but the RW meta favours DEX heavy stat builds, so more SPD than STR may be your preference. I personally favor higher SPD, as I think it's easier to boost your damage (with RW bonuses) than boost your accuracy/chance of hitting

For the players using baldr's ratio, do you advise training SPD+STR (buying Frontline fitness) or DEX+DEF (buying Balboa's) ?