Victims of political lawfare, hence why they all got 100 year reasonable sentences right?!
Step seems to have given up defending his retarded commie blaming, Trump sucking political view though.
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The irony in these posts is amusing. Pretty sure the right said the exact same thing regarding the excessive punishments for thousands of people at the time, while the left mocked and laughed at them. Not to mention the left cheering / celebrating the murders of their political oppostition.
I'm of the thinkin both are very excessive.
Really? Cause the guy who jammed a stun gun into a cop on Jan 6 got less than half the time the shortest conviction from that lot did
Even Enrique Tarrio who was charged with seditious conspiracy only ended up with 22 years, shorter again than all those people who got 30, 50, 100 year sentences.
I'm not aware of any extremely egregious sentences from Jan 6, only one person ended up with over 20 years is my understanding, and several from 10-20. Do you have some examples you could share?
It wasn't an insurrection, but those who broke the law should be punished. However, it seems the FBI actually encouraged the protestors to enter the capital, and that makes their crimes "fruit from the poisoned tree". You can't encourage people to break laws so that you can prosecute them when they go along with your plans. It's supposed to be crime prevention, not crime creation.
As for the J6 committe, it was a total monkey court. Democrats prevented Republicans from participating by setting rules that placed the Republicans at a clear disadvantage. Therefore, the other side was never heard from, it was a totally one-sided three-ring-circus show for the cameras, and those responsible for it should be in prison.
A) I have never seen any evidence of FBI encouraging insurrectionists.
B) the FBI encourages people to.commit crimes all the time. They offer.to sell drugs to drug dealers and then arrest them for buying. They plant people in political groups who offer to provide weapons and explosives in order.tk.carry out terrorists attacks.
The attests of a right wing militia that planned to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer were aided by having confidential informants and undercover agents who offered material support for the kidnapping plot and others. The FBI has made a habit of riding the line on entrapment for decades.
Wait...they paid informants who were part of an extremist group? But that money might have ended up being used by the right wing militia in some way! Looks like Kash Patel has some more indictments to make.
To be fair, what evidence is there the FBI didn't? Other than the report from the DOJ OIG stating exactly that
https://oig.justice.gov/news/doj-oig-releases-report-fbis-handling-its-confidential-human-sources-and-intelligence
They are getting more time than Ghislaine Maxwell. Wonder how all the free speech types feel about this, most probably dont care.
Does bring up a point, if you're gonna get 30 years for this nonsense, you may as well kill a cop if you feel this way, get some bang for your buck.
I needed to do some extra digging because you're a right winger 🙂 no offense, telling me about a violent not-insurrection organized by the current POTUS.
A couple of things worth clarifying;
First, a small but important note — it's the Capitol, not the capital. The Capitol is the building. The capital is the city. Small thing, but worth getting right when making a legal argument about what happened there.
On the insurrection been something else — you said it wasn't an insurrection, but then said those who broke the law should be punished. Those two positions are worth examining together. An insurrection, legally speaking, is a violent uprising against a government or its authority.
When a group breaches a government building by force (not to mention during the formal certification of an election, with the stated goal of stopping that certification) that's not a stretch of the definition. That is the definition.
You can disagree with the word, but it's not the topic.
On the FBI entrapment angle; I did some light reading and my understanding of the 4th Amendment "fruit of the poisonous tree" actually applies when police gather evidence through an unconstitutional search, making any secondary evidence inadmissible. It has nothing to do with undercover operations or informants in a crowd.
For an entrapment defense to hold up in court, you'd need to prove two things: that the government induced the crime, and that the defendant was not otherwise predisposed to commit it.
If we look at the case, we have people who planned, traveled, and coordinated before arriving — and then made their own decision to breach barricades or assault officers. So saying FBI encouraged them doesn't really hold.
As for the committee 😮💨— this is why I dislike politics. It's so fucking dirty and corrupt and no one is happy where it is concerned.
Yes, it was structured for television, and yes, Pelosi rejected Jordan and Banks specifically but why? because they were witnesses to the very events being investigated. Something to do integrity, yeah. But guess who, then voluntarily pulled all five of his appointments in response? Kevin McCarthy — which is what actually left Republicans off the committee and made it largely one sided.
And the part that tends to get overlooked for some stupid political reason; nearly 90% of the witnesses weren't Democrats. It was Trump's own White House lawyers, his Attorney General Bill Barr, his senior campaign staff, his daughter, wife and so on. The case wasn't built on opposition testimony for you (or any right winger to claim bias) — it was built on sworn statements from people who were in the room. Lifelong conservatives and Trump appointees.
Now tell me about who was punished since you said "those who broke the law should be punished."
All these posts about how this is a incredibly stupid precedent to set and how it’ll be bad for the country and the only thing step replies to is a post about the Jan 6 Insurrection, and he goes straight to defending it.
I imagine this is because he has been provided many talking points about Jan 6 over the years so he knows bad faith ways to try and distort history, however he has been provided no talking points for how insane prison times is actually good.
More evidence (if needed) magats don’t actually think and consider their position, instead just wait for the direction from their thought leaders and repeat it uncritically.
The left; “right wing are violent nazis!”
the left; “if you’re going to prison for trying to kill 1 person you may aswell try kill as many as you can”.
The 100 years isn’t for an accident, it’s for intentionally trying to kill another human.
People who have killed, OR are willing to try and kill innocent people, have no place in society.
Theres a difference in thinking about doing so, to actually trying to do so.
what a fucking retarded (again) stance you’re taking, but again, we know the type you support, so predictable.
So anyone who tries to kill another human goes for 100 years is what you’re saying?
Like the Jan 6 ones right?! Oh no only one person ended up with over 20 years.
God you’re so dumb it’s incredible
Yeah, the legal difference is between encouraging or introducing the plan and just going along with the plans introduced by others, recording the information and funnelling it back to the FBI.
I agree with undercover stings when no active solitictation is involved. The question is whether FBI "assets" (cause they weren't actually agents) actively encouraged people to break laws.
I've seen enough evidence to suggest it and raise a reasonable suspicion.
Either way, if you have FBI embedded in groups that are planning an insurrection, you accept the National Guard offer, and you do everything you can to prevent the groups from carrying out their insurrection, you don't open the doors for them, and that's what was done... someone wanted a false-flag "insurrection" - failed, yes, but something that could be sold as an insurrection to people lacking discernment.
What Jan 6th rioter shot at police officers?
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I answered that there were other factors in the 100 year sentence beside the attempted murder of a police officer.
Odin missing the point in the least surprising way, as usual.
Have another read sweetie and then once you’ve understood my point type out a reply to me.
You’ve made no attempt to defend the ridiculous length of these sentences, despite numerous people taking the time to explain why they’re a bad idea.
All you’ve done is a bad “whatabout” with Jan 6
Odin said “The 100 years isn’t for an accident, it’s for intentionally trying to kill another human.”
Which isn’t the case, because plenty of people try to kill other humans and don’t get 100 years in jail. See Jan 6.
What the pedo protector brigade has to say about this I wonder.
Who on jan 6th tried to kill someone and got done with attempted murder?
“He recalled people yelling about killing him with his own gun as he was beaten, comparing the brawl to a "medieval battle scene" in a 2021 interview with ABC News Chief Justice Correspondent Pierre Thomas.
"[It was] some of the most brutal combat I've ever encountered," he said.”
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A Jan. 6 rioter who tased a police officer in the neck during one of the most violent clashes of the Capitol attack was sentenced to more than 12 years in prison Wednesday.
Daniel Joseph Rodriguez pleaded guilty earlier this year to multiple felony counts and admitted to the FBI that he drove a stun gun into the neck of then-Metropolitan Police Department officer Michael Fanone.”
“"They became incredibly violent … and you had a large group at the mouth of that tunnel entrance trying to push their way through the officers who were fighting to defend it," Fanone said. "I believe had they done so -- or had they accomplished that -- they would have trampled us to death. Most certainly you would have had police officers killed."
https://abcnews.com/amp/Politics/jan-6-rioter-stun-gun-officer-sentenced-12/story
Yeah they didn’t try to “murder” anyone. They just beat them mercilessly and jammed stun guns into their neck, and got less time than people who weren’t even there when the cop got shot.