SSL 2.0

Hi ! I hope everyone's going well !

Before starting i'd like to appology for my bad english and surely bad presentation that will look ugly :)

I'd like to suggest to upgrade the SSL to make it a better way as it is today (if it's already suggest by anyone i'm sorry i didn't found it)

As you may all know only few players used to go for it with the old BS training and it was already not the best way to improve your BS as fast as xan players. Now the BS gains change it's even less balanced.

That's why i feel it is sad to have such an alternative way to play torn and makes you think your e management differently for war and other events but isn't making you able to be at least not to slow to compete with others (when you see 1 years old player able to beat 5 years old with same mean activity [it's a made up exemple])

I'm not asking to make it even with xan train as i also see it as a challenging way more than xaning and also simply a different way that suite some players. But i think more people would enjoy it and make it their ways if it was more balanced. (because i think lot of people don't just to be able to play torn with enough pace in growing)

As a possible way to improve it we could think about making the gains a bit better, or allowing SSL to acces specific things in torn as "drugs free" people. Giving them unique item or like a buff of e regen as they don't use drugs (acting on your helth and so energy) or something like that.

What fo you guys think about it ? SSL players but also xan players, for ideas but also cons of making SSL 2.0. I'm here to discuss it and understand everyone view.

Thanks to everyone that read all of this. I hope i was understandable enough for you guys don't mind ask if there is specific part that is shadowed by my poor englishs skills (didn't have enough points for refills in english class during school ...)

Take care and enjoy TORN ! 

Wild-warrior 

PS : this is the view of a 100-ish old player it might be not good enough

I agree! I feel like SSL players should get rewarded more. 

we not even have merit or Achievment reward for it which is so sad. but to improve them is really not much anyway i have some idea to improve it such as. 

1. Buff Stat gain from SSL : simple increase more effective of SSL gym gain might attract more player since the main reason SSL no one do is not worth to train to reach it for.make it more balance compare to other gym xanax will be something for sure
2. Make it cheaper or easier to unlock will attract more player try to join them for sure 
3. change some criteria for able to join SSL such as remove limit xanax / ectacsy and replace them with other criteria instead such as have to get 0 addiction long enough before join. 

As for me who play as drug free style im still new and didnt expect much people will come here and might mocking that it bad idea at the first place to join SSL however who care if we want to do it anyway.

Thx for the answer mate !

I agree with the 2 first option, but i think making accessible after a long time without drugs will take it's nature and its souls as anyone will be able to do so and i think it should be a decision when you start the game (< 2-3 month of playing).

But it would still be a buff then so why not ! I mean that's in ched and torn team's hands

it just randomly suggest not a well thought one but glad you like some of it 

This guy spams dms of who downvotes, id recommend blocking once u see how bad the idea is and downvote

Thanks for your constructive answer i now have a better view if why torn shouldn't reworked SSL !

I only send DM to downvote to have a bit more explaination. Why would i ask someone that agree with me why he does ? 

Thanks for your time and your adultness.

Lol as someone in SSL, I can agree that a buff of some kind should be added. What it is, I cannot say— I'm not a dev, I don't balance games for a living. I have a particular strategy to it that involves dropping it later. Whether it will work or not, is still unknown thus far. The point I am trying to find out is whether it can be viable as is. 

I vaguely remember someone a while back proposing what seemed like a pretty clean way of buffing the SSL without making it overpowered or screwing over people who can no longer access it. I can't remember for sure if it was an actual suggestion forum post or just something we talked about (not unlikely that it was in New Players Chat several years ago).

Essentially, the proposed change didn't affect the gains from the SSL at all or provide a buff/merit or anything to users, all it changed was the requirements. Right now, it's one of very few (if there even are any others) things that you can 100% hard lock yourself out of. Once you've taken more than 150 combined total Xanax and Ecstasy, that's it, you can never access SSL ever (or ever again, if you already have access). Locked out of access forever, which feels very... Unforgiving. But, the proposed change would make it so that you can't take more than x amount of combined Xanax and Ecstasy in a rolling calendar month or year. So, for example, if you have taken more than, say, 150 Xanax and Ecstasy in the last 365 days, then you can't access it until you've abstained for long enough to grant you access again. In another example going on a monthly basis, if you've taken more than, say, 15 Xanax and Ecstasy in the last 30 days, you can't access it. Not sure what the perfect balance would be, but it makes it so that hardcore Xanax users can't just casually be downing Xanax non-stop and access the SSL, but still provides players with the opportunity to utilize it and Xanax occasionally.

#chedging

I kinda like this, the yearly option that is. Makes books/events more strategic. 15 per month would ruin my plans >.>

Yeah, the rolling yearly would be nice.  Eventually you would hit the limit even if you only used Xanax for Halloween.

Another option would be in drugs 2.0, for Xanax(and probably other drugs) to give you a de-buff that blocks SSL access for a certain time(like OD length).  That way you can use Xanax for attacking, just not training.  That would also give SSL users a reason to care about other high level gyms, when they want to train post attacking events but still locked out of SSL temporarily.

Of course... I also wouldn't say no to say a 12.0 multiple.