Started by Steppenwulf [2960257] on in Politics & Law.
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Yes it is a cause for concern, I already had a solution and that is to give up the enclave or make it some independent enclave which is not part of the EU. As long as that doesn't happen there won't be a solution.
I think my concern is different than yours though.
FWIW
I don't actually disagree that their enclave is a recipe for disaster, especially considering it borders a country as backwards as Morocco.
They are not half as backwards as you
50,000 people entering a country illegally in a day is crazy.
Did the Biden administration hijacked Spain?
Edit: The majority turned around and left. Good for Spain. Up to 57 dead.
Pardon your criminals and send them to your neighboring enemy nation as "illegal immigrants" to be welcomed by the suicidally emapthetic post-Christian socialists... soon they will be voting... soon they will be the majority... soon Ceuta will be New Morocco.
Spain is literally so retarded, they are welcoming invaders into their country to drastically alter and eventually destroy their own country and replace it with an illiberal theocratic monarchy.
its the unfortunate end of all mass migration, its near impossible to try to integrate these kinds of numbers, especially if they are left to their own free will and form their own enclaves, which is always going to happen when you have mass migration because its easier to band together into groups of your own rather than integrate into what you've joined.
singapore and denmark are both decent nations to emulate on this. migrants shouldn't be able to congregate into a single area together or else you end up with what you are seeing. in the uk we have the same issues in a variety of places where the areas look and feel / function a lot like areas of other nations than the uk.
i dont think any nations are working to integrate either, it should be that the migrants are force to take civics lessons, be attending classes on culture etc or else the culture of the nation lessens.
the whole post 1950's human rights and asylum conventions are not fit for purpose anymore, so many people can see that and yet nothing ever seems to get done in relation to changing it. at some point unfortunately i fear a genuine far right party will get into power because the representatives of all these european nations won't do anything to course correct.
"i fear a genuine far right party will get into power because the representatives of all these european nations won't do anything to course correct."
Thats exactly what's going to happen in most places that does it or it will get worse, if they dont tighten up.
Edit: and no im not advocating for the far right to be in power. Events like these will just drive centrists/independents that way though.
I fear that in the very end, people will move toward the far right because they feel let down by the establishment.
Singapore is a great example. Ask anyone with roots elsewhere and they will tell you that they are Singaporean first. And it works! I just wish there was a way to emulate this.
Europe is too divided to really get to a solution. Or more specifically, the political center is gone. So you're either left or right, leaving a lot of people (myself included) 'politically orphaned'.
Whatever future we imagined in the 1950's turned out to be a pipe dream. We have to get rid of the laws that are now obsolete and are hurting us more than they have ever protected us. And hope we can do this before we elect someone really radical.
I think at this point if Spain isn't able to gain control over the situation and prevent this from ever happening again, they should be kicked out of the EU. They're a threat to the Western world.
Edit: Literally two minutes after I posted this
It's so wild to me that the left simply can't even comprehend what's happening
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect
This thread has turned into a far right circle jerk party.
And they call others uncivilised, weird bunch.
A far right government uses this situation to stoke fear against immigrants, totally unexpected.
Enjoy the situation you voted for
I didn't, and it's not a situation that affects me at all, and you even less.
Keep trying to pretend.
Wait, so you guys think a bunch of military aged men should be able to be dumped in any country?
I get what ur trying to say, but I don't see how the micro inflation, that would be a net positive for the country anyway in the long run, especially after the future generations grow, effects the country negatively in a major way. Countries are infinitely more effected by the shit going on in the world, than the micro inflation from a minimum wage increase, especially if the wages are likely to catch up. Spain isn't going through some sort of depression, they are moving up.
BTW, this statement you made about the u.s.is a perfect example of why Spain is not doomed, and things can be balanced out. Its a contradiction to your fears of Spains condition. The things you are worried about, are so microscopic, and temporary, for the greater good of the nation. The evolution of a country from such things can be amazing.
Are you blabbing, or is this really how you feel? Immigrants are more willing to fill the roles that are lacking participation in, and more important to the growth and stability of the country. Stop acting like people were on a waiting list for these positions. It's not everyone elses fault, that some people just wants to sit behind a desk, or serve burgers, complain that there are too many people serving burgers for them to make a million dollars as a burger slanger, then complain about positions they would never work themselves being filled, from their vehicle on lunchbreak, while scrolling Twatter. Some of these immigrants will surely create more jobs for you to serve burgers for them, as if the agriculture alone wasn't enough of a reason to want immigrants. How many people do you know riding tractors, and chucking dung?
Misandry, and misogyny isn't anything new, and will always exist. Labeling it a left issue, or a right issue would be false. Also, the fact that they are welcoming and celebrating men, is contradictory to your claim they are as misandrist as you think. As a matter of fact, I saw more from the "right" saying shit like, "look, all military aged males. Notice they don't have kids or women.". Yall are against men, and don't want them to embetter themselves. Yall are more against men, than you claim they are. If you use Palestine as an example, when the "left" reports on it, they may highlight the suffering of women and children more than men in a way, bug still count men as civilians, when they are. When the "right" reports on it, they more often only count "some" of the women and children as civilians, and as many men as possible get labeled combatants. Yall don't care about men.
Like I said, your complaints are about microscopic, and temporary things, that will likely balance out, and be even better in the long run.
If they were to be kicked out the eu, they will find different friendships, and yall will get salty after seeing that they aren't going to shit, to the point you will sanction them, place extreme tariffs, propagate shit, and try to implant puppets. Espionage is your best friend. They truly wouldn't need yall, if yall wouldn't try to choke them out for not needing you.
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.