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GingerBeardMan [2532521]

I pulled the logs for all 17,084 hands I have personally been dealt and compared them against a monte carlo simulation that ran over 2.9 million sets of 17,084 hands to determine whether certain cards are dealt more often than expected, certain suits are dealt more often than expected, or certain ranks were dealt more often than expected.

My findings are as follows:

 

 

  • Raw-card level: broadly normal, with one real isolated tail. All four suits are ordinary, and the overall Broadway-card count is ordinary. Aces are the standout: 2,735 Aces versus fair P99 = 2,733, so that is a genuine P99-ish high-tail observation. Fives are mildly scarce at 2,526, P5-ish low. This does not look like a general high-card excess; it is specifically an Ace excess.

 

  • Two-card grouping level: broadly normal. I had 1,004 pocket pairs, exactly the fair median. TT+ totaled 400, versus median 387, but remained below P95 = 419. TT+ were 39.84% of all pairs, also below the composition P95 of 40.98%. Every broad hand family, suited hands, connectors, one-gappers, broadways, etc., remained ordinary. The clearest exception is 55: only 53, below the fair P1 cutoff of 56. KK+ is P95-ish high at 176, but AA and KK individually are both ordinary.

 

  • Temporal spacing/clustering: overall normal. This is one of the stronger reassuring results. All eight explicit clustering tests were ordinary, and every Any-Pair and TT+ block VMR from 50 through 1,000 hands was ordinary. Overall pair droughts, TT+ gaps, TT+ cold periods, and broad overdispersion do not show abnormal hot/cold cycling. There are isolated tails, particularly a 2,134-hand 55 drought, P99-ish, but that is closely related to the already-low lifetime 55 count rather than independent evidence.

 

 

  • Overall: this archive shows a few expected tail observations, not affirmative evidence against fair dealing. The anomalies are real enough to record, especially Aces high, 55 low/long-drought, and the recent TT+ burst. But they do not line up into a coherent pattern: suits are normal, broadways overall are normal, total pairs are exactly normal, premium-pair composition is normal, all broad starting-hand families are normal, explicit clustering is normal, and overdispersion is normal. Nothing predeclared went beyond the observed fair-reference range. My overall read is that the multi-year one-seat dealer history looks substantially more like ordinary fair variance with a handful of tails than a persistent dealing distortion.

 

The raw report can be found here.

I also ran a test for what I nicknamed the "MU Hypothesis". MU meaning "manufactured upset."

 

This test occurred twice, once at 665 observed hands and once at 1,503 observed hands. All data was collected on the Cat's Chance table.

The question the MU Hypothesis is trying to answer is:

Do mathematically unlikely upsets occur more frequently in Torn Poker than the exact remaining-card probabilities predict?

I ran two different tests, MU-R and MU-E.

MU-R is the statistical likelihood of the post-flop leader being passed on the turn or on the river.


MU-E determines whether the pot equity favorite ended up with the correct share of the pot at the time of the next card. To do this, I took the total pot at the start of the turn before the turn card was revealed but after all flop betting had concluded. I calculated the equity favorite at that point, and by how much they were favored. I then determined if over the sample size, their share of the pot at the state equity was calculated was consistent with the equity they held. I then did the same for the turn to the river.

 

MU-Clean was used as my control.  The sample size is tiny, but involves All In automatic runnouts, in an effort to prevent decisions made after the observed point from contaminating the observation.

 

These tests are subject to selection bias due to them having reached a showdown. In order to know the amount of equity each player held at a given point, their hole cards had to be known, which can have an influence on the data.

 

Here are my findings:

 

At 665 observed hands:

 

MU verdict: weak deviation worth tracking. There is one interesting signal, but the clean sample is nowhere near large enough to call it a real inconsistency.

 

Strongest apparent MU signal: MU-R flop→turn reversals. There were 41 actual upsets vs 29.21 exact expected, about 1.40× expectation. The one-sided exact tail is about 1.2%.


What looks most normal: turn→river is almost absurdly ordinary at 32 upsets vs 32.48 expected. Turn equity favorites lost 32 times vs 32.17 expected. Flop equity favorites also ultimately lost at essentially normal rates across the strength bands.


The clean subset points weakly in the same direction, but it is tiny. Only 8 clean flop→turn states had a unique current leader: 3 upsets vs 1.13 expected. That is elevated, but still inside the exact 95% fair range and has a one-sided tail around 8.4%. Clean turn→river is 2 vs 2.18 expected.



MU-E currently looks normal. Event-weighted frozen-pot realization is close to exact equity both before the turn and before the river. The clean frozen-turn sample is especially ordinary. Dollar-weighted results move around more because a handful of large pots dominate them, but none is remotely a strong statistical inconsistency.


Nothing currently justifies a strong suspicion. The flop→turn result is interesting enough that I would absolutely keep tracking it. But the fact that turn→river, final equity-favorite losses, persistence, and frozen-pot realization are normal keeps this firmly in the “weak deviation worth tracking” category.


At 1,503 Observed Hands:

 

MU verdict: weak deviation worth tracking, but less suspicious than it looked at 665 hands. The main reason is replication.

 

 

The strongest apparent signal is still MU-R flop→turn upsets. At 665 hands it was 41 observed vs 29.21 expected, 1.40×. At 1,503 hands it is now 79 vs 60.74, 1.30×, with a one-sided exact tail around 0.68%. So the pooled result remains elevated, but the effect size decreased.

 

More importantly, the new 838 hands alone do not independently reproduce a strong anomaly: 38 flop→turn upsets vs 31.53 expected, 1.21×, with a tail probability of about 12.2%. Directionally high, yes; statistically remarkable, no.

 

The clean subset moved even more strongly toward normality:

 

Old 665 clean flop→turn: 3 vs 1.13 expected
New 838 alone: 1 vs 1.43 expected

Cumulative 1,503: 4 vs 2.56 expected, tail ≈ 24.5%

 

That is probably the single most important development. The bias-resistant sample did not replicate the apparent upset excess.

 

Everything downstream is also calm. Observed turn→river reversals are actually below expectation at 58 vs 68.29, while clean turn→river is 4 vs 4.69. Flop leaders ultimately losing showdown are 124 vs 113.06 expected, which is ordinary.

 

Frozen-pot MU-E is also very close to expectation, including the now-larger clean subsets: 28 clean pre-turn frozen-pot states and 45 clean pre-river states, with favorite realization slightly above expected rather than showing excess upset losses.

 

So compared with the 665-hand checkpoint, my interpretation shifts slightly toward ordinary variance/selection bias.

 

The MU-R flop→turn signal is still real enough numerically to keep watching, but it is being driven substantially by showdown-conditioned observations.

 

The new independent batch weakens the effect, and the clean sample actively regresses toward expectation.

 

Here are the tables with the observations.

 

TL;DR: The algorithm is fair and random. Your hand selection is not, and any losses or upsets are attributable to user error and variance, not the algorithm screwing you. That's the math.

MummaJ [2859459]

100% the ‘pro’ won’t take ANY of this on. He is the knower of all things and Ched is obviously against him lol

Frenzy26 [4358819]

I'd like you to pull the logs for my hands.. find out how many of each hand I've had in the last 1,000 hands (flush, straight, full house etc.), and compare it to a few other people.... 

My stats even show that I've been essentially ''hard capped'' at certain profits limits, on tables, as I've mentioned in my topic/comments..

And as I've mentioned, every time I win some, it's always waiting hours/days for the next 2-3 ''hands of luck'', while trying to dodge endless set ups..

People must think I just donk chips off, play badly, and was fed like 8bill in profit 

Yet I've won/lost like 8bill, never had big wins on bigger tables really, and mostly got capped at 300mill profit on mid tables..

I've had to grind like fk just to stay around even :S

and then got put into the gutter for like 4 days straight, got my 2-3 luck, then more set ups and sweet nothings only... 

and now I can't even afford to play.. funny that

Don't see any sign of any admin willing to let me play test with 500mill on a different account either, so I can quickly win 2-3 + bill in about 12 hours, and then ask people why that wasn't possible on this acc

GingerBeardMan [2532521]

I'm gonna reply to this in bits and pieces, because there's a lot to unpack here.

 

I'd like you to pull the logs for my hands.. find out how many of each hand I've had in the last 1,000 hands (flush, straight, full house etc.), and compare it to a few other people.... 

 

I can't and wont do that. Not because I'm part of some conspiracy, but because that would require me asking for or you giving me access to your logs via API.  And trust me, you do not want anyone getting that much access to your account.

 

And as I've mentioned, every time I win some, it's always waiting hours/days for the next 2-3 ''hands of luck'', while trying to dodge endless set ups..

 

As my data shows, Torn Poker is completely consistent with a fair random card distribution. My analysis of MU, or as you call it "set ups",show that upsets happen no more often on Torn tables than is to be expected in a random deal. In more cases than not, you were already behind when you put money in the pot. The times that you weren't, can be explained by variance and hand selection. You play weak hands that make pairs, often those hands get beat.

 

and then got put into the gutter for like 4 days straight, got my 2-3 luck, then more set ups and sweet nothings only... 

 

Again, as my data shows, set ups aren't real. "Sweet nothings" can be attributed to running "card dead", which can happen a lot longer than you would think is statistically probable.

 

The MU analysis isn't based on just me. It's based on the observed actions of every person that played poker during the span that those records were taken. So across the entire Torn poker playing population, there is 0 chance you are the only one being "set up".

 

and now I can't even afford to play.. funny that

 

Two words. Bankroll Management.

 

Don't see any sign of any admin willing to let me play test with 500mill on a different account either, so I can quickly win 2-3 + bill in about 12 hours, and then ask people why that wasn't possible on this acc

 

Because as annoying as it might be, admin doesn't just give in to the whims of every player. If you have actual data that backs up your claims of unfair dealing, turn in the proof and get yourself a bug swatter. Otherwise take your lumps, get better bankroll management, read a book on Poker, reduce your VPIP, and be willing to take advice from the "donks" that are able to make $5B in a session... because maybe they just might know more than you.

Frenzy26 [4358819]

Erm, I wasn't actually being literal about you pulling the logs, because you're not admin.. Why would I be asking you directly, to pull the logs?

I'm not really interested in your data, when I have my own ''data'' in the form of observations and pattern recognition.. 

I'm not sure where you get this idea I usually put my money in with the weaker hand... I usually put my money in with the better hand, and lose to a dominated and weaker hand..

People lucking out against my dominated hand, on a pre-flop all in, is the standard, though I wouldn't dream of going all in with like KJ, like these people do, against AA, and ofc the board without fail goes like kk5, just so I can lose.. Like it literally does, %95 of the time for me..

I actually lost the other day a few times against dominated hands in just one day.. with AA vs AQ suited pre-flop all in, even flopped a set of Aces, and still lost as the turn/river went suit suit, to make guy a flush... I just skipped the utter set up with the pre-flop all in, and went straight to me getting fucked by a hand I dominate..

Then after being set up against fed luck, I just go back to waiting many hours/days to even hit a flush myself..  Funny that 

I think that was the day I got AA, lost.. QQ, lost.. AA, lost again, probably against dominated hand, because the board just had to pair for someone to flop trips, finally got AA again for the 3rd time that day, about 3 hours later, and won.. Go me.. 


Not sure where you get this idea I think 2 pair beats everything, or w/e it was you come up with

But sure, tell me all about how my ''sweet nothings'' are just a ''quiet spots'', and the ''set ups'' are just ''me trying to beat 2 pair, with a pair''

and do again the ''money management'' fallacy.. 

How do you think I played for 3-4 weeks and didn't already go broke?

If I played like half these plebs you think are some elite poker players, I'd have been broke weeks ago.. 

Because I don't get fed like they do

I took a chance taking most of my last of my cash, onto CC, but was hard capped at about 300mill profit, then just sweet nothings and set ups, after sitting down, and finally receiving my 2-3 luck for the last 4 days.... 

I mean, one of my big losses over that 4 days was on RW or CC, sat down for hours, finally hit a straight, only to lose to the strangest/most unlikely higher straight.... Just ask Xelphina, it was her that got the higher straight

I shouldn't need to have to run away with a bit of profit, or not sit with most of my cash, because some donk will inevitably get fed a flush against my Aces and 5s, like what actually happened..

So after losing that 220mill buy in on CC, to the guy being utterly fed a donk flush, I had 60mill left.. So I took 30mill onto a game.. Just got utterly set up to lose with sweet nothing and half hands

Took 15mill onto an ever smaller game, just got sweet nothings, and utterly set up to lose

Took my last 15mill onto an even smaller game, just got sweet nothings, and utter set ups to lose

Sold 100 points, and took 3mill onto an even smaller game.. Spent 3-4 hours making a whopping 3mill

Sat down with 5mill on a table tonight, lasted 6 mins before being set up flopping top pair with a high kicker, against someone flopping 2 pair.....  I thought someone had maybe flopped a straight, and was hoping the board would pair for me, but aha, ofc not, it pairs for the guy who already had 2 pair, and he has a full house

It's hilarious, because the board pairing for me when I need it is beyond rare, though he did flop 2 pair anyway.. Imagine if that was me flopping 2 pair, guy with my hand would have been fed a board pairing, without fail.. Not even joking.. 

and yes, that is one of the occasions where I put the money in with the weaker hand...

Some times you can't give people the benefit of the doubt, that they're not mindlessly bluffing for one, (I mean, it was a super low table, but the guy who first shoved all in, had the worst hand of 3 of us.. ) .......and some times the set ups are just so unreal, I have to check either way, and make sure they just utterly got fed a flush or straight, or board pairing/double pairing, just so they can beat my strong hand.... 

and yes, they usually have just been utterly fed a flush, straight, or board pairing... 

You talk to me about hand odds, but you don't seem to grasp that the board pairs too often on torn, also it goes suit suit suit suit, a bit too often

And 4 of a kind is a bit more common than it should be.. I mean, I've hit 3-4 of them myself I think, just a few more 4 of a kinds, and I'll prob literally have the same amount of 4 of kind, as I've hit flushes.. 

Some how, flushes are very rare for me, and when I do finally hit one, I either lose, or it's ace high flush, and entire table has nothing, and folds to any bet


Yet I'll watch as the algorithm sets me up with a low flush vs higher flush most of the time, and how it constantly sets other people up to win..

I finally hit 1 card to a flush? You can almost guarantee some ones got a better card.. dems just the rules.. 

Think last 2 times I hit 1 card to a flush (hard to remember as it's so rare.) I had q high, someone had k high, or something.. One time I remember I hit 8 high flush, someone ofc had 9 high..

and that sort of stuff happens to me on heads up when I play them on poker algorithms too, and it clearly makes no sense when the 1 other person I'm playing, just gets repeatedly fed the slightly better hand.. Which is what happens to me when I last played heads up online poker.. 

Heads up is probably the easiest way to tell that an online poker algorithm isn't legit random

Had it a few times in my favour too on torn poker ofc, when I get my 2-3 luck for the next days, some people been utterly set up against me... Flopping trips or 2 pair, and me finally hitting or something... ofc I don't feel good when I see someone clearly got set up against me when I finally win a hand.. Could be another actual decent player like me, who's just waited 48 hands to flop trips, and lose to me getting my 1 luck for the day..

But my winning hands literally generally come in the form of a 2-3 luck, every 6 hours to 4 days.. 

I watch your poker idols sit down, play mid, and just get fed winners on a regular basis

Yet I never get that

I did get it a little bit at the start on torn poker though.. As I mentioned in my topic.. I used to flop 2 pair, trips and even a straight quite a bit more often, even though would still get set up to lose a few of those times.... 

and as I've played more and more, and the algorithm has witnessed me play really well, with little mistakes, outplaying most people , trapping the fk out of people when got the nuts, I've literally observed how the algorithm changed how it plays for me, getting worse, and worse, and worse with its sweet f alls, and utter set ups

To the point that's all I got for 4 days straight at one point, pretty much.. and that's what took me from 1bill, to 280mill or so.. and that's when I took 220mill to CC, finally got my 2-3 luck for the week, won 300mill my hard cap, and then got nothing for the next 4 + hours but utter set ups, then finally getting 2 good pair, only to lose to a fed donk being fed a flush... 

and yes, I'm capped on my profit, I always was, as I explained in one of my other comments..

Do you know how many times I sat at smaller tables with 30-40-50mill,  and hit 150-180mill only to get hard capped at that stack, for about the next 4-8 hours? I literally did that about 9 times, before finally being allowed to go over 200mill on table, and got to 3-400mill one time, after literally a 12-14 hour session I think that was...

You know how many times I'd seen people fed from 100-400mill on those tables, in like 3 hours? Many people 

You realise I played on RW and cats chance for 20-25 hours or so I think, and I think maybe once got a 600mill pot? 

You realise I watch people get fed 500-1b pots on those tables all the time?

 

You realise I watched some donk, playing poorly, win and lose 5-700mill about 7 times, from all in pots, and was just getting repeatedly fed back his donked off chips, until finally donking harder than the feeding, and lost the 1.5bill stack that he'd been utterly fed repeatedly?

Mean while I'm over here folding sweet nothings for hours, waiting for AA, and only being set up to lose.. Literally 

The fact I've played like 25hours on RW and CC, and never had 1 bill on a table, is insane in itself.. As if I'm over here like ''I've got 3 of one card, does it beat a straight?''  ... Never sat with full stack, but sat with 3-500mill a couple or so times I'm sure... Never ever have I been fed wins like I watch people get fed all the time


But sure, keep telling yourself you know better than me, and that I just need to learn to play.. I'll be over here getting hard capped because I'm too good..... 

While your elite poker idols will just be siting down at any table, and getting utterly fed..

You do realise, that as I observed how the algorithm changes how it plays for me, and got worse and worse, I was literally wondering if the algorithm thinks I'm cheating, because I know I play so well, and know when I'm in the lead, and what people have so often, and was making little mistakes..

I literally started to wonder if the algorithm/admin think I'm using some hack to see peoples cards.... Because I'm that good

Then I observe as the algorithm gets worse and worse and worse, until it appears I've been utterly black listed

Until the algorithm just got so bad, it was just annoying me, all it does now is utterly hard cap, sweet f all, and utter set ups when I finally hit a good hand

Then ask staff about it, and get ignored.. and ask staff about it again, then get called paranoid and shit at poker.. Hilarious 

I'm not sure which one of peoples brain cells are not working properly enough to grasp it, but shouldn't it be quite obvious by my stats that I can play, but got hard capped?

Or did you think I was just too shit to keep winning hundreds of mills, and get into the billions?.

Do you guys actually think that if I wasn't hard capped, I wouldn't be sat on billions in stocks by now?

You guys must be dreaming if you think my poker stats showing 8bill winnings, and losing most back, is me being fed hands and wins, and donking it back off, like most of these fed plebs do..... 

...When I'm the utter opposite.. I had to grind, and out play people for most of that profit, and wait for my hard cap to end, so I can get my 2-3 luck for the day-week, and win a bit more.... I don't just donk off chips when I'm not going to win, most of the time.. I also rarely fish draws as I very rarely hit them

Instead, when I outplayed people and grinded for 300mill profit, I was hard capped, then extracted for that profit back for the next 1-4 days.. Literally... 

It's literally like playing a fruit machine, that pays out when it's programmed to, for some of us.....

Yet people just sit at any table with their bibs on, and get fed like little baby poker players they are, then actually think they're good players

When the real good players need to get hard capped by every poker algorithm, and fed mostly sweet nothings..

I mean seriously, are none of you actual decent, intelligent players, that have played online poker before, and noticed how fked up it is? 

But do go on, tell me the story of how I don't know how to size my bets, or something

Also, did you think I was joking in my coaching topic, when I said I'd have to try not to laugh, when the people trying to coach me are literally clueless, and shit at poker compared to me? I'd probably end up coaching them, after they see how well I know the game, and how often I know what cards people have etc. 

But anyway, you lot crack on with those delusions.. Eventually I'll learn to play poker, and be able to win more than 3-500mill in a day, without having to play like a pro, for 14 hours straight

But don't worry, the algorithm will surely do its best to spend the next days extracting that back out of me, with nothing but sweet f all, half hands, and utter set ups to lose, that even I can't dodge all of..

Because after all, if the algorithm didn't hard cap me, I'd win wayyyy too much, and we can't have that now, can we?

GingerBeardMan [2532521]

I'm not going to reply to most of this because the incoherent rambling, lack of grammar, punctuation, and general readability are a little hard to follow.

 

At this point I have to believe you're trolling, delusional, or some mixture of both.

 

But there are a couple of direct points I want to get to, not because I think you'll actually understand probability or statistics, but because then I can at least say I tried.

 

You talk to me about hand odds, but you don't seem to grasp that the board pairs too often on torn, also it goes suit suit suit suit, a bit too often

 

It's funny that you mention that, because I actually have data for that, too. 

 

Across 1,720 boards that saw a flop, only 95 (5.23%) came out monotone (single suited... or "suit, suit, suit" as you so eloquently put it).  The fair distribution? 5.194%

 

Expand that out to a full 5 card board and we're at 34.54%. The fair distribution fot that? 32.636%

 

As for the flop pairing? 17.209% observed vs 16.993% in a fair deal

 

One pair anywhere on the board? 42.634% vs 42.100%

 

So my conclusion to your "you don't grasp that the board pairs too often on Torn" is that you don't grasp that it really doesn't.

 

 

I'm not really interested in your data, when I have my own ''data'' in the form of observations and pattern recognition.. 

 

See, there are these things called Negativity Bias and Confirmation Bias. You should look them up. You remember the bad beats and the "set ups" because they sting, and they fit your internal narrative, so therefore they must be true.

 

But numbers and math don't lie. They don't "I remember this time that..." it either happened, or it didn't.

 

And the numbers all say that none of your claims are statistically viable against a fair card distribution.

 

But... let's pretend for one second that they are. Why?

 

That's the one question you haven't answered.

 

 Because after all, if the algorithm didn't hard cap me, I'd win wayyyy too much, and we can't have that now, can we?

 

That's bullshit and you know it. And I know it. And everyone in this thread knows it.

 

If "the algorithm" gave a single solitary fuck about how much any one person has won, Akenomics wouldn't have been "allowed" to have a net winnings over 2T. He's got 2.76x the winnings of the next net high winner. If "the algorithm" gave two shits about anyone "winning too much" it wouldn't be some 70 day old account not being able to climb past $300m.

 

some times the set ups are just so unreal, I have to check either way, and make sure they just utterly got fed a flush or straight, or board pairing/double pairing, just so they can beat my strong hand.... 

 

Maybe stop doing this? That would be a pretty good start.

 

All this being said, you're welcome at my table any time.

 

/thread

Frenzy26 [4358819]

I see you're not done with your fallacies, assumptions and inaccurate opinions

I'm not even going to bother 

But don't let me interrupt your attempts to enlighten me on things I already know very well.. Do go on

Stricky [2010002]

Holy shit man! You need to make a dedicated thread for this effort, if you haven’t already! I’ve wanted to do something like this for a while, even though math was never my strong suit. 

I’m genuinely surprised at how even everything really is, outside of the very slight excess aces and slight reduction in 5’s. Maybe all these coolers really are just dumb luck XD

Frenzy26 [4358819]

Just played a couple hours, was up the entire time by a couple or few mill, but playing on low table.. 

Should see what happened, and what happened on my last hand..

Only go and get fed JK to flop trip jacks, against AJ.. Funnily enough, to some fed guy, with 31mill, on a table with 5mill max buy in.. 

Was the best hand I hit too, pretty sure..

Enough said... 

Stricky [2010002]

You got put in a bad spot. Shit happens. I lost all in on A 8 FH to quad 2’s. You didn’t have the nut and should’ve thought about it

Frenzy26 [4358819]

Ok, I'll take your comment seriously, and over look the fact it's pure fallacious suggestions

I've had many breaks in between playing... Wasn't even in the mood to play for a few days as had no smoke

I don't tilt, and I don't need to tighten my range, lets just say

Lets just say, if I waited for AA, KK, QQ, AK, for 3 + hours, that won't work, and I'd still most likely just lose..

As proven yesterday, and many other times

But thanks for the suggestions

Had QQ yday, lost.. had AK suited, pretty sure lost... got KJ and flopped trips.. and lost..

You get the picture, I hope.. 

Won a couple of small hands, but think I had to out play people for more hands than I won by cards, ofc..

Was 5-7mill up for about 2 hours on that tiny table with 5mill buy in, while just waiting to be utterly set up, of course

But I should have known when I've got KJ, and flop trip J's, fed guy next to me with 30mill stack, has AJ ofc..

...and clearly should have folded, like good players like teej would.. ''rolleyes'' 

I wonder how many billions in profit teej was fed today

I supposed it could be worse, I was half expecting to wait to flop a full house, only to lose to a guy with high pocket pair, flopping a higher full house.. 

''Because random bad luck, repeatedly, only'' 

I suppose it could be worse, I could not be so hard capped, and would still have some money to play with, so I can lose more than 7mill when I get utterly set up..

So I only lost 5mill yesterday, after playing solid for like 2 hours, and essentially just being set up to lose in the end, just like the last..., every time I play..

Thank my lucky stars I can't afford to go and just get utterly set up to lose on the big tables, because ''random only bad luck, and set ups'' 

Frenzy26 [4358819]

Thinking, what's that?

Yh, I'll be over here waiting for my 2-3 hands of ''not in a bad spot'', so I can win a little bit.. and then prepare for more sweet nothings and only set ups, again

Will probably flop a straight, and lose.. But I probably just didn't think if I had the nuts, or not, and if I could be beat by fed guy being utterly set up for the win

Sigh

Frenzy26 [4358819]

Should see the hand that happened within about 12 mins of sitting down at a low table with 5mill


Flopped a flush.. Board pairs, then does a 4th suit

Whole table in pre-flop, of course...

I was asking in chat when the board paired, who's got flush, who's got better flush, who's got full house

And the board goes and does a fourth suit too.. 

I ofc folded the all in at the end, with my low flush.. Because I'm a good player

So a guy with K high flush, lost to a full house, ofc

and 1-2 hours later, that's 5mill down, again, after not even getting a single win/hand, instead only sweet set ups, again

Funny that

Maybe next session I will be graced with a 2-3 luck, to win 3 mill, then get sweet nothing but set ups for the next 200 hands 

It's nigh impossible to even play on those tables, when everyone is in pre-flop, with anything.. Even more impossible to play when get sweet F all, half hands, and only attempted set ups to lose 

Even got like AQ or something, raised 1.2mill preflop (on a 5mill max buy in table) as practically the entire table was trying to come in, most the table still called.. and ofc I utterly missed the entire board.. Worth a try

But I probably should have just folded my AQ preflop, and save wasting my time with the wtfuckery, and utter set ups 

And wait to get AA, and lose... 

But I probably just need to get good

Maybe the 4th 5 mill, I will be fed some wins up to 20mill, instead of just utterly wtfuckeried? 

Apparently I need to skip the lower tables, and save up to 20-40mill at least, to at least start on 50-100k blinds, and then move back to 125-250k and so on, so I can get wtfuckeried on them instead, while I watch plebs get utterly fed

BullBot [2524057]

When someone suggests tightening your range they aren't suggesting you go from a 63% VPIP to a 2.5% VPIP. 

 

Maybe google what a solid VPIP is for 9 ring?