Was it an option to, or was it not?
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Graved at OP request
I feel like it could tie into Enticement in some way:
or using someone else to bypass restrictions imposed on your account
Albeit that's obviously not the intention of that rule, with it being a social one / putting fault on the person with the ban then. Imo there's just at least a similar existing rule / framework with that one, that could be pulled from / altered to apply to these sorts of sites.
But then you also have to factor in that some people use others to place bookie bets, or open caches for them, plus third-party gambling sites aren't the only form - there's also Discords dedicated to it. And where do you draw the line between things like raffles, and games of "chance".
I definitely don't envy you as the decision-maker for any of this, and am glad to read it's at least come up before as something y'all aren't a fan of. Gambling addictions ruin lives, and it's sickening the lengths some folks are going to to tempt and exploit that real issue, from people who choose to self-exclude, just for pixels. They absolutely know what they're doing and why their sites work, which is the awful reality.
Perhaps an API endpoint to check for a casino self-exclusion, and require third-party gambling platforms check this for each person using them, could be a partial solution?
Simple answer: if you do it for the love of the game, make it free and remove the gambling option. Boom, you get the games you want and your given a clean conscience.
UNLESS you're in it for profit, then you won't make it free, and you won't remove the gambling option. Then you will try to keep charging 1 xanax for 15-day access and allow gambling.
The best I could find is GEThttps://api.torn.com/v2/user/log?log=8690 and parse it out of the logs. A proper endpoint would be good.
Wow, too many new players don't realize this. This game never been about just about PVP.
You can work a job grind and get through those workers stats up
Before you think buy trains dude, the education job example increases all workers' stats by changing job points . ....
Then get oil rig job investment bank. Of stocks.... make tons of money with never doing a war ....
Point value low do under cuting the value.... fact if everyone sell at 40k .. The price of artifacts. Like the meteor would be worth their value
I do have my own little game. If the concern is funds can be send to other players via external sites, then casino sites must not be able to do that. At my game it isn't even possible to do that. If the concern is that the owners of these sites make money and other people lose money....that's just is the Torn casino. If people don't want to lose money, don't play the casino.
However, I can understand the argument people who banned themselves from the casino, can't ban themselves from these external sites.
Would be discouraging to see people's creativity be stopped because of a few bad examples. Everybody tries to make a bit of money and with Torn being quite punishing for money making, people start te become creative.
I started my game just to see what I could to with Torn's API and how it works. Sparking my curiousity and that helped me create other tools for the game I use now via the API. I strongly feel Torn must stimulate people's creativity and making use of the API, so it can furthur enhance Torn and give people an edge. That creativity is needed for the community to also develop ideas/tools like FFScouter/BSP and many more.
Enticement or advertising probably have the closest capacity. It's a little fiddly as I don't want to end up inadvertently screwing over some legitimate third party service whilst banning these things or ending up with a loophole that just results in just as many being made to cover that. And scenarios like you say where people are like "Oh it's technical a free service so it's not gambling"
And then as you say what's the difference between a raffle in the fun and games forum, games and giveaways in discord etc... I haven't seen as many people complaining of those when imo they ARE bigger concerns for RMT.
I can't say "banned third party casinos" as then it kinda screws over things like faction betting or forum raffles, can't even say "off site gambling" because then discord raffles are screwed.
I know people would know what I mean, but I'd rather have an easily air tight definition if this was a route I went down to I ensure a consistent approach that isn't simply vibes based.
Tbh I hate even having to consider banning things at all as it's quite interesting to see what creative and engaging things people can make from the API as a base but it's people taking it too far to exploit people that feels wrong with dozens of these little copycat platforms... Just feels like it cheapens Torn at that point too.
Maybe "3rd-party for-profit gambling torn assets establishment" as a very specific term?
Plenty of multis have "won" (and subsequently been caught and fedded) raffles and giveaways in F&G. We banning F&G next?
The sheer number of entrants I get when a DP is a prize should really be the clue that Torn does not have enough gambling options in game and players are filling the void.
Banning off site gambling doesn't fix the void.
for the love of the game you can't pay hosts and stuff and still not earn a xan for a 2 week use.. 2 xans its like a trip to uae, I'm closing everything as you can see, but before I completly quit Torn. I can say that most of you are really extreme in arguments, you have only one point and try to trigger it again and again. If it's not free and for you and only benefits you you only attack. Assume your shit, assume your gambling addiction. Deal with it youself and don't accuse others just because some of you can't fucking abtain and control your desires. I thought when I was little younger that gambling sites are ruining lifes. Yeah, they have their part, but most of it it's you! You ruin your life by going there. It's like with the people you hang out!! You are never fucked up by your entourage, because you choose that entourage from so many to choose from. You was there! In real life I've always fucked around and did several stuff and always choose who I hang with. And I did with all types of people, just to understand what I like, what harms me, how much tolleration I have to sum shit, to learn when I need to quit things and to grow leaving my problems behind my no matter what they were explicity, cuz that who you fucking are. So yeah.. It's not really a reply for all you haters trying to blame casinos. Every shitty casino who scams you is not the reason you are scammed, you are the reason you scam youself by going there and not understanding how it works, not being aware of making a difference. A non smoker will never blame the cigarettes cuz they don't want to engage with it at all. I guarantee that all of you crybabies here are just talking because you lossed a lot and tryinna wear the activist cape when you can just be a fucking adult and act responsible for what you do and how you behave! Learn to control youself. I'm leaving this shithole Torn anyway. I have met great people and I'm glad I did, but most of the community it's just a trash, toxic ppl with weak souls who just wants to give everyone that energy. Have a shitty day everyone who thinks like this, not because I wish that, just because you live with these childish ideas in your head and blame everything external for you internal unsolved shit!
And not to mention how many people we've seen come and go because they gamble themselves into such a debt because of folks wired heavily for addiction. I actually had people ask me if my NW was based on gambling, that's a no, my line doesn't have the sharp peaks and dips of someone who gambles their money.
Why would the community allow a third party feature to exist whenever it has a built-in feature to "self exclude"
I have lost a lot to gambling myself in torn Casino too. And guess what? I'd assumed it and still played the game. Your arguments are shit. These addicted ppl should seek help and start making steps into healthy directions! I know a lot who did, but again like I've said upwards, it's always the others fault, not yours. I don't understand how you dive in life with these mindset of not acting like an adult and assuming shit and getting your shit togheter by youself. You expect others to do your work? Ok broskies, you probably still waiting for your parents to make your bed and meal and also give you money to hang out! I can understand your points about addiction, but are very extreme and unnasumed as again. Act like an adult or die in the process while not trying to! There are 2 types of people in these world (that's a methaphor) who gets in big shit: The ones who stands up and grow from them, and the ones who gets crippled by them. And guess what? It's nature, and again, it's all about wanting to change, the topic of this fucking thread wasn't even about your addicted friends or your gambling problems. Was about something else, and my platform was something different but "you want all free and harmless" like there's fucking only perfectionism and good in this world.. It's both good and bad, and that's the beauty of it. People should expose and fucking learn to stay in balance by themselfs.. If they are not doing this for themselfs, nobody will do it. Why wouldn't you all got their lossed money back if you are really sorry for them? Why wouldn't you stayed with them and make sure after you gave them money they will not do it again? Cuz you can only cry, only make statements but actions are zero. Can't understand how you all made this about gambling addiction and you're degenerate friends who can't control themselfs when some of the ppl here providing external stuff really want to bring value in a way or another, but extremist shit and opinions are all over around like it's our fault that you're fucked up.
Nice job victim-blaming. You're a real man who blames the person suffering. I bet youre the kinda guy who gives an alcoholic a beer, a crackhead a bit of speed and then go "oh its their fault for not having self control".
And what's funny is I didn't even post anything to attack you, yet you word vomit all this stuff that sounds like a projection of your internal turmoil.
I am happy in my self-constraints, as I don't gamble and have a steady net worth.
Daddy chill, I never said I had a gambling problem 😂 I've seen other people lose their ass and quit. Also I'm not reading your dissertation, especially since I can see it's loaded with Grammatical errors. But not sorry that you wasted your time screaming into the void. Maybe actually speak to me like an adult if you want me to treat you in kind with the same respect.
Besides I was talking to my friend Ben I don't even know you like that cupcake.
I have a term for you.
Retarded
You muggine me hahaha. Big players with small egos power tripping cuz u can't accept someone else opinion and you feel entlitled just bcs your psychosis told you so.
Stfu, nobody have the absolute truth, you are acting just like that. Yes, you attacked my points. Which are valid as are yours.
I might be retarded in your opinion, you're just close minded in mine. When I was a victim of something then I acted like one, not like a fucking "let's fuck me up again so I can stay a victim".
It is waaaay to close to Halloween to be having a public crash out. Take this with you.