The top 10

A topic which has been widely debated in the past, but with some interesting matchups having taken place/due to occur, I think we have a more definitive list than ever. I'm ignoring 'alliance' power in this list as well, and assuming that family Factions won't move members around.

1/2. NS/Monarch

3. CR

4/5. PT/Carbon

6/7. NS2/Mutation

8. 39thX

9. JFK

10. MR TNL SA

Do you think this list fair? Do you think anyone is missing? Interested to see what people think.

Are we talking RW or TT war? 

I think my rankings would change based on the format. 

What you have is fairly accurate imo for RWs, with Cata/JFK/IBB/DA somewhere in contention for 7-10. 

Edit: I guess my response was in response to your original rankings of SA/TNL 9-10

why is a tiny faction like jfk so high on the list?

IBB is barely in contention for Rank 30.

I don't think it changes that much, other than JFK is probably significantly better at territories.

iirc, and i just checked logs, sa was beating ns 2 and then got db'd to help

4 wars i see, only 1 lost (cus of the db)

if your ranking is based on TT wars ofc.

For sure. 

IMO, JFK, IBB, DA feel like they'd be higher than their current ranks if we're talking TTs. 

This is Nova offering Mike an olive branch to come back to the Karma server.

No chance NS is equal to MHQ.  Same level but not even close to equal

Definitely don't think it's fair to judge those given the alliance power, but on most of the walls, it does appears NS2 was primarily tracking wins until 2v1+s occurred.

For example, this was clearly a close fight, that NS2 was winning comfortably with some back and forth.  I find it hard to believe SA 'suddenly' won and NS2 didn't mount a single attempt at the end unless something else was going on.

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Perhaps someone can shed some light on these, as I wasn't part of these walls.

Here, we see a similar story, series of pushes with NS2 control over the first 18 hours. I appreciate SA took control from Hour 18 to Hour 22, but it doesn't make sense for NS2 not to push after that unless it was a 2v1+.

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In what world is IBB beating any of the top 10 in territories with barely 70 members?

Cata, IBB, DA would get curb stomped in territories by any of the listed top 10 facs. Who can you see falling out of the list for any of the trio?

This is my personal list, I think spots 5-7 are the most interchangeable if everyone is at their best. 

1. NS
2. M
3. CR
4. PT
5. C6
6. NS2
7. MM
8. 39th X
9. JFK
10. SA

11-20 I would include MR, TNL, Cata, DA, IBB, WB, ODB, Wolves, Nuke, and Aqua

Think ODB should be within top 5. Them memes alone is enough to get past top 6

Edit: and they have Wade m/

Only Nova can post losing war reports and give the loser the benefit of the doubt because he can't explain it. 

We were fighting TNL over RQE at the time when NS2 assaulted. They lost that wall and we took RQE from TNL. There's no current world where NS2 can beat SA in a wall war. We have been quiet in RWs but who there beat us or have beaten anyone that's beat us? 39x, MM, JFK, NS2 before SA? Looking forward to some good wars even though we've beat 39x already. 

Are you talking about the war we decided not to fight? We havent warred you properly in forever.

Looking forward to matching

If you like many others felt they could put an L on the SA column you would have tried, you didn't. That says it all. Ya see you there. 

Cool - then probably best to remove SA from the list and add IBB and SS on there by that logic.

Nice deflect but RW matches are random. May never get another chance to make it 2-0 SA :)

If those factions feel they should be treated with more respect, they are free to post at their leisure. 

How is that a deflect? It is random and we’re both hoping to match each other so hopefully it happens. 

but the same way you claim that our last war “counts” in terms of ranking, then so should the IBB and SS ones ;)

You've responded to my old post referencing Nova's original post before he edited.

Nova's edited list is now more accurate than the one before.   That 10th spot is probably the most volatile. 

Edit:  Actually, I feel like MM might have the edge over NS2.  Their performance over the last few RWs has been pretty strong.

don't worry if SA ever by a miracle takes the island from obn and ww 39th will ally with SA like they do  even better if it would be jfk again lmao