Def switching to dex

I have read all the guides available on def vs dex. I’m leaning towards switching my to dex from def. I’m ina good position to gain serious gains as I have 1b dex already for the merit which took a LONG time. Has anyone gone thru the same transformation? If so what did you notice? What are the good and the bad?

to all the dex whores how do you fare in group fights? How do you fare in 1v1? And what armor do you use for best results?

thank you in advance 

i know some of this info you don’t wanna share but this would really solidify my decision and help me a lot.❤️

I switched from DEX to DEF after whoring my DEX to 1b and had DEF at 50m and there is a huge difference in fights. For 1, the ratio you need to completely null STR is so much lower than that to null SPD against DEX, that's a huge bonus and you'll find you survive a lot longer in fights against ranked weapons, having more DEF than DEX.

If money isn't a problem, then obviously EOD will give you the best results, after that it would Sentinel but as i can afford neither, I have a mix of Riot and Assault and it does just fine for the majority of fights at my level.

Long run, both fair well against different types of opponents. But I have found that DEX is favored more then DEF specially during wars were everyone and their mother is throwing smoke grenades around. Yes, the ratio needed to null SPD vs DEX is higher than DEF vs STR, but you have Tyro's 500% increase vs Sero's 300% increase (did I mention during wars all your opponents will be smoked too? increasing the gap even more so)

To top it, you have everybody and their mother using ranked weapons with bonuses that will apply to DEF players (0 damage - full mitigation from STR vs DEF ratio alone is a myth only a few will realistically see in a competitive landscape during war times) while DEX players have hit chance favoring them in the long run. 

Lastly, going back to the myth... the game is at a stage where you rather gamble with hit chance than going for all damage mitigation. There will always be a dinosaur with 1 quatrillion in STR ready to go thorough your defenses like butter, but might miss the first turn? xD

As dex whore, going EOD is just terrible. We literally won against someone in 1 trillion dex who decided it was a good idea to go EOD instead of protecting his only competitive advantage. Vanguard all the way. 

I had a feeling I was right! Thank you for the info you have provided. Really appreciate. I’m switching to dex.

At this point it doesn’t really matter, just have to pick 1 and go with it.  It won’t matter at this state of the game until you have like 50b+ of the stat anyway.  There’s like 10,000 ppl who can beat each other up in the 4b-15b, give or take, range anyway.  

I couldn't disagree more with this armour take.

EOD is the best armour for any build.

In 1v1 situations 30% (ish) of the few hits that do get through will be fully mitigated.

In group attacks dex will be completely eroded by distraction so the 30% mitigation will be even more important.

Vanguard is decent in 1v1s but struggles in group attacks due to the erosion of dex from distraction - the bonus to dex % cou is for less and less the more people join the fight against you.

EOD is superior. If you worry about temps, just go with vanguard/delta mask and everything else EOD. Or like me, i have full assault with delta mask in pocket in case i see tear gas being used in logs.

As for dex vs def... id say if you really active and into all of this warring, it think defense is better IF you fully spec into it. What i mean with full spec is get armor, get into company, get wither. In all 3 things i noted defense has better bonuses:

1. In armor, Sentinel is superior to Vanguard due to better coverage/armor value and +150% being more important for reaching 14x compared to dex. Plus you dont have limitation of being forced to wear poop helmet at top levels.
2.  In company, i think defense strip club IS better than dexterity strip club due to 37.5% sero heal. Or you can go gas station as its more suited to defense.
3. Wither is not necessary, but -75% on strength is far more better than -75% on speed and once again helps with reaching that breakpoint.

But the moment, you get out of that 5x-10x effective def over opponent str... you are f**ked. You will get owned by all RW bonuses, you will be bitchprodded, you will be executed, you will be melted like crazy. AND on top of that a lot of people whore strength like crazy compared to almost nobody whoring speed.

Dexterity on other hand works best in that 1x-5x area, where you close in stats and opponent have chance to hit but its not high. From my experience going full whore on dex is not gonna work due to higher 64x cut off and sureshot existing past that. Plus as said it doesnt have as many good companies/armors to spec.

I personally picked dex to be a bit off meta, although it seems dex is now the meta haha(or no?)

This. It's all RNG and needles, with loadouts tipping the rng in your favor if your opponents load out is weaker. 

With regards to stat build I honestly think that, unless you have the resources to chow SEs to get dex or def to the moon, you're better off training both up a bit and specialising with armour and needles.

Maybe I am wrong and my dream of having EOD as dex whore is still in the cards but so far in my warring experience (which is nothing to compared to your HoF faction xD) I have yet to encounter a situation where EOD as DEX is justifiable or even viable. Having dex tear gas'd by 3 players allows them to bring the opponent down to a manageable DEX level and kill him faster since probably his defense is low for so much dex whoring. Now, you definitely need more than 3 players to bring his DEX level from 1 trillion down to the same level of as his tear gas'd counterpart. The idea of a DEX build is not to get 30% damage go through... is having 0% damage go through xD same as with DEF. With DEF you want to affect ratio to mitigate 100%, with DEX you want hit chance to avoid 100%. 

That's my theory at least. Someone with time and math skills can probably dig into it and find how much impact hit chance vs full damage mitigation has on a DEX whore on one on one and group settings instead of just hearsay. 

Edit: And you can say wear the delta/vanguard mask + EOD rest... maybe? Idk if the extra investment will be worth the improvement. Guess we will have to find a way to calculate average damage considering hit chances vs EOD procs in solo and group settings for this. I just picked the easier (and cheaper) method and go for vanguard. 

I kinda disagree with you about EOD. How can damage mitigation go 0 be ever bad? Whether you’re a dex or def whore. With eod even a 40 stat player has a snowballs chance to stalemate with an enemy thus making you waste energy. As soon as I first laid eyes on eod u knew this shits op and will cost a lot!

eod go brrrr

Dex is sex.

Throw a Vanguard on then?

Whoa Nelly!

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(Also, people with EOD will always tell you to get EOD cos they have to continuously justify their purchase to themselves)

Hear me out...both are good. The more of one you have, the more valuable the other is. There's an obsession that you need one or another, but if you're negating most damage on def and change from being hit 100% to 80% off a few dex that's huge. Same goes the other way around.

Also, wanna negate similar to dex? Add EOD.

Def is good, Dex is good, both are good, stop overthinking it. The numbers you're talking about when whoring one is at a point where you're talking 10b+ swings in stats to beat ONE more person in the entire ass game or vise versa.

I can tell you my gun isn't the most accurate but dex whores aren't my problem. Def whores with Sentinel are. They got the high armor AND the def bonus, add a needle and 0+400% damage is still f**kin 0

Find god! Stop being a whore and be balanced 

Or you know .. accept there will always be people who kick your ass and just build your own way

I switched from def to dex, costed me 6 months of only training dex but worth it. I can still deal damage at low health if the oppo decide to attack me meanwhile def won't be able to do it, cost of sero is also way higher than tyro, only downside is armors for dex usually has low coverage especially masks but eh everyone throwing smoke so that's alright

That's cause dex is a less effective stat point for point and sero also gives HP. Realistically though, if the cost of temps is a consideration at all, the last thing you need to worry about is which stat to ho. Stat whoring is for stat enhancers, before that there's not a good reason to leave any stat behind.

Wear Hazmat over the top ;)

Weapon  specials from ranked war cache weapons hurt when they hit. They cant hurt if they cant hit you ie you have good/high dexterity and dodge their attacks. Their ranked war specials are nothing if they cant hit you.

I think its foolish to have either dexterity or defence as a small stat. Both are needed both defence and dexterity have to be good. They both do their job. 

If you want to be a tank of any kind you need to have both defence and dexterity.

Pumping 1 of them will be good but dont leave either dexterity or defence low.

In  heavy fighting  periods ie ranked wars. The group attacks against you are withering. but having both defence and dexerity at good levels will help you.

Stat builds which involve having 1 or may god bless your rabid little souls more than 1 small stats DONT work in heavy fighting periods.