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Tolshortte [648554]
ok so for the most part I think most people agree that corporations are creating issues within society that we as a society need to deal with.

the biggest issue is how to deal with it. it seems the dividing line is how to do so.

my answer is, has been, and will be responsible spending by americans that will dictate change by not financially supporting these entities that mistreat workers, underpay their employees, ship jobs overseas, etc. at least until such time when a real workable idea is produced. obviously that's not very popular as people don't like being told they are doing something wrong, especially when inconvenient. the truth though is we as consumers do have the power to affect change we keep demanding from our politicians who fail to deliver.

so whats your answer if mine doesn't fit your ideology?

my issue with waiting for some political group or politician to "save us" is they've been saying for years they would do it and haven't yet. personally im done with listening to that lie told for decades now as they line their pockets and special interest coffers with corporate money. both parties have held all 3 major political powers in the last 12 years and yet somehow nothing has been done to curb all the buzzwords like corporate welfare, tax loopholes, etc. so to me its obvious that believing the next group will be different is the very definition of insanity.

at what point are we as americans supposed to finally assume the responsibility for our own actions in terms of who we financially support? at what point does it become obvious that waiting for our tax checks to run out and hand it to these greedy corporate overlords is extremely counter productive the change we want to see? when will we as consumers realize we have the power to do what we are asking others to save us from?

see the way I see it is we can WAIT for someone to do this for us, or we can do it NOW together. id really like to see some movement of consumers, not dems vs. repubs, unite and retaliate against these entities through spending at small business as much as possible and limiting how much we support them financially.

if a restaurant is not very good, has bad service, and costs too much people use this power and spend elsewhere and they close the doors. the same idea will work all over. most small businesses these days will match any online price just to get your business. it isn't as convenient as ordering it and having it delivered, but most things worth doing aren't easy.

don't ask for change, be the change.
Sweeney_Todd [27468]
World doesn't work like that as we are not ants, but people with views. Also people that know it's better to say yes to pepsi when coke is not there rather than going thirsty...

I agree with you, bit it will never happen...

People are thirsty, and pepsi is better than nothing...
PurpPurp [1990116]
we eventually just gonna impale the rich like marx said if people keep getting poorer. these people living in gated communities while we're living in hell with the scum, and peasantry. cash cows for the debtors.

i dont care about rich people. give em 7 mansions they dont even live in. who cares. they can be rich. thats not the problem. they just doing their jobs. problem is these people the ones who buying up the government. these the people who lobbying for war.

we'll be digging holes with spoons for awhile longer.
Louis_de_Pointe [1963196]
The Amish way of life is the only sustainable way to live with any freedom long term.
Right now people are eating plastic, getting poorer and destroying the ecosystem.
Nobody [237547]
You can't just say "capitalism" is bad and that's it. The fact that you are writing on your computer/phone is a result of capitalism. Let me take you back a few thousand years...

One family runs a farm, a different family is fishing out at sea. They can (nutritionally speaking) benefit from each other. Throw in a third family that builds houses and boats, and any other kind of family you want. At some point, you want someone who can do business/trading for those families. A caravan if you will.

Today we have electricians, mechanics, plumbers and carpenters, all essential to the daily lives of billions of people. A mechanic needs all the other base fundaments of professions to do his job and vice versa, so instead of studying all the professions he hires/contracts someone with the relevant papers. Everything is more effective and saves time, think about how easy it is to acquire food today. If you buy a frozen pizza you have several industries involved, mainly cardboard/paper, cheese, tomato farms, wheat farms... I mean the list goes on. For the simplicity of *everything* we are dependant on capitalism.

If you want to defeat capitalism you need to become the biggest capitalist, undercut and sell with little profit. If a capitalist sees that he can take a 10% cut and still compete, he will compete. You cannot beat capitalism with socialism, you have to do the works and then undercut them to the point of where they throw in the towel.

With power comes corruption, and with great power comes great corruption... I doubt you would be able to turn down $10M annually if you actually had the choice.
Sannemander [2088627]
Capitalism has outgrown itself. It has been a useful system but now it is just self destructive. The system will collapse. I give it maximum a couple of decades.
MachineGunSteve [184119]
I would give it less time than that...

IF, there was a better system to replace it, or better humans. But, as of now there is neither, sadly.

@Tol. I agree with you. But we both know that changing the minds of large enough groups of people, and getting them to do something that is good for the group is nearly impossible without GREAT leadership, and currently we have very poor leadership.
Sannemander [2088627]
So sir Attenborough did his homework, I just looked into the reports and the science, although there are different models it's very clear time is running out quickly.I guess his findings come from the same source.

The last years we see the change with our own eyes, I think in a decade the denying camp would be decimated but it will be late by then already.
Sannemander [2088627]
At the moment there is no better system for human luxury no. And there has nobody yet invented a system based on finite resources, and if somebody finds it we also have a problem of democracy. People won't vote (yet) for a system that gives them less luxury, still that is the only way forward.

whether it's communism, socialism, capitalism or anything else in this world , none of these systems take care of the surroundings of its communities, they just plunder them .
Tolshortte [648554]
the sad truth is the system isn't the problem. its the ignorance of its users that's doing the most damage.

fact is consumers fail to realize that they do have a responsibility when it comes to their spending.

for those who think im opposing capitalism, im not. never have. quite the opposite. if anything im trying to show those waiting for someone to ride in and save them based on empty promises that they already have the power themselves
PurpPurp [1990116]
i was watching the dem debates, and im disgusted with how rotten democracy is.

they literally trying to control our elections. The Media. the DNC. its like the government has been taken over by aliens.

after watching the debates im seriously questioning if we even have democracy.