My minds tossing over a few things and i figured i'd write some of it down.... watch out torn....
Take the brain as an isolated thing and lets assume all our thought and consciousness is done there...
We have sensory data coming in, that data is then deciphered as best the brain can. The brain then allows our conscious mind to recompile that data to form what we then perceive.
Lets take my feet and the floor as an example. There is information going into my brain saying that the nerves in my feet are under higher pressure than normal. this mixed with my orientation and other sense data lets me know this is likely because my feet are touching the floor.
That said, the thing i experience as my feet, the feeling of touch (and the floor they are touching) all come after the sensory data has entered the brain. Urm forgive me if i'm miles from the truth. but i think this is how we think we know it to be..... so here's the horrible question i warned torn about at the start.... i'll go slightly cryptic.
Couldn't a punchcard input account for the same level of complexity, (or binary etc etc) Providing all the data input for the brain to use in its compiling of the perceived reality... ?
I mean, the outcome of processes don't always reflect the process itself. Take a look at our computers, the binary data that is then converted for the monitor does not look like the images that show on the screen. Electricity and the many appliances it powers, do not tell you anything about how the power plant works that provides that power..
So this perceived reality is our outcome from the process of collecting sensory data with our minds and re-compiling it, Maybe it is like an image travelling down a fibre optic cable, looking the same as it did when it went in at the other end. Though to me, looking out into the world, i think i see a lot of evidence for transitions that lose the original semblance.
I'll try to get down my last thought, Its a little abstract,
Me, Mr B and Mrs C are all conscious beings receiving punchcard instructions. The punchcards we receive don't conflict with each other. but we all decode them very differently from one another.
My punchcard has information about me on it, Information about Mr b, Mrs C and our shared reality.
Mr B's and Mrs Cs are the same respectively.
I'm set to decode a human experience from the given information, So i apply the information from the punchcard onto my simulated human experience. Its about myself, Mr B, Mrs C and the reality itself. Its warm, there's gravity, we're friends and its 'normal'.
However!!!
Mr B Is an individual neuron in the brain of a weird alien being in a galaxy far far from here... His reality is very different, but there are two other neurons he has information about... their designations can be translated to 'Me' and 'Mrs C'..... there's the equivalent of a positive experience, a tug in a general direction, and for him its all 'normal'.
Mrs C is a conscious toothpick from the 98th sub-dimension..... (different universe, different rules) The tug she feels involves a need to baste cucumbers. 'Warmth' is their favorite sports team, Currently winning (its a two team sport) and its not 'normal', but its an abnormal space, so no conflict, still 'normal'
Point is, there are only 3 punchcards in the scenario, giving 3 different 'brains' non-conflicting sensory data. That data in my simulation means Me, Mrs C and Mr B are human and can have a conversation. To Mr B, he uses the equivalent of the word 'human' to describe himself, he 'says' stuff making him appear to me to be human. But that's all because i decoded that information, from that punch card in that way.
To him i seem like another alien neuron occasionally firing signals in his direction.... Mrs C.... well... yeah, i'll write a book on her sometime >_< .
Sorry if this is a bit of a brain strain for some, Its just ideas and I don't mean to make anyone uneasy. I do however feel that this sort of thought and discussion is likely going to be very useful to the next few generations. They will become conscious in a world where there is more than one 'place' that seems 'real'. Perception itself has not had a bigger hurdle since well.... probably sight.... or some other drastic advance >_<
Whether this reality is a simulation, created or whatever, Its still the same reality that the earth came into being in, The dinosaurs were there, friends and family have their birthdays around our sun..... and someone started the bible....
I think many can get lost in dark avenues of thought around this territory. I've become numbed to a lot of it through my anal perseverance... Oh god some of the anxiety i used to get... Buuut, one thing has remained true for me. I can change how i see the world in so many different ways, But, there is only one way to change the world itself, And that is by 'choosing to do'. (Or going through the set process we decipher and experience as the illusion of choice) either way, whether illusion or free will... Created, simulated, eternal or otherwise... lots of reality left to explore and so much imagination out their, primed to produce new realities for others to explore...
I don't think average Joe is gonna know what hit him/her over the coming years. Errr, for average Joe, Check out 'augmented reality contact lenses' >_< Safe starting place
I have been Realist, Ty!
TLDR - GET OUT THE SCIENCE FORUM
Take the brain as an isolated thing and lets assume all our thought and consciousness is done there...
We have sensory data coming in, that data is then deciphered as best the brain can. The brain then allows our conscious mind to recompile that data to form what we then perceive.
Lets take my feet and the floor as an example. There is information going into my brain saying that the nerves in my feet are under higher pressure than normal. this mixed with my orientation and other sense data lets me know this is likely because my feet are touching the floor.
That said, the thing i experience as my feet, the feeling of touch (and the floor they are touching) all come after the sensory data has entered the brain. Urm forgive me if i'm miles from the truth. but i think this is how we think we know it to be..... so here's the horrible question i warned torn about at the start.... i'll go slightly cryptic.
Couldn't a punchcard input account for the same level of complexity, (or binary etc etc) Providing all the data input for the brain to use in its compiling of the perceived reality... ?
I mean, the outcome of processes don't always reflect the process itself. Take a look at our computers, the binary data that is then converted for the monitor does not look like the images that show on the screen. Electricity and the many appliances it powers, do not tell you anything about how the power plant works that provides that power..
So this perceived reality is our outcome from the process of collecting sensory data with our minds and re-compiling it, Maybe it is like an image travelling down a fibre optic cable, looking the same as it did when it went in at the other end. Though to me, looking out into the world, i think i see a lot of evidence for transitions that lose the original semblance.
I'll try to get down my last thought, Its a little abstract,
Me, Mr B and Mrs C are all conscious beings receiving punchcard instructions. The punchcards we receive don't conflict with each other. but we all decode them very differently from one another.
My punchcard has information about me on it, Information about Mr b, Mrs C and our shared reality.
Mr B's and Mrs Cs are the same respectively.
I'm set to decode a human experience from the given information, So i apply the information from the punchcard onto my simulated human experience. Its about myself, Mr B, Mrs C and the reality itself. Its warm, there's gravity, we're friends and its 'normal'.
However!!!
Mr B Is an individual neuron in the brain of a weird alien being in a galaxy far far from here... His reality is very different, but there are two other neurons he has information about... their designations can be translated to 'Me' and 'Mrs C'..... there's the equivalent of a positive experience, a tug in a general direction, and for him its all 'normal'.
Mrs C is a conscious toothpick from the 98th sub-dimension..... (different universe, different rules) The tug she feels involves a need to baste cucumbers. 'Warmth' is their favorite sports team, Currently winning (its a two team sport) and its not 'normal', but its an abnormal space, so no conflict, still 'normal'
Point is, there are only 3 punchcards in the scenario, giving 3 different 'brains' non-conflicting sensory data. That data in my simulation means Me, Mrs C and Mr B are human and can have a conversation. To Mr B, he uses the equivalent of the word 'human' to describe himself, he 'says' stuff making him appear to me to be human. But that's all because i decoded that information, from that punch card in that way.
To him i seem like another alien neuron occasionally firing signals in his direction.... Mrs C.... well... yeah, i'll write a book on her sometime >_< .
Sorry if this is a bit of a brain strain for some, Its just ideas and I don't mean to make anyone uneasy. I do however feel that this sort of thought and discussion is likely going to be very useful to the next few generations. They will become conscious in a world where there is more than one 'place' that seems 'real'. Perception itself has not had a bigger hurdle since well.... probably sight.... or some other drastic advance >_<
Whether this reality is a simulation, created or whatever, Its still the same reality that the earth came into being in, The dinosaurs were there, friends and family have their birthdays around our sun..... and someone started the bible....
I think many can get lost in dark avenues of thought around this territory. I've become numbed to a lot of it through my anal perseverance... Oh god some of the anxiety i used to get... Buuut, one thing has remained true for me. I can change how i see the world in so many different ways, But, there is only one way to change the world itself, And that is by 'choosing to do'. (Or going through the set process we decipher and experience as the illusion of choice) either way, whether illusion or free will... Created, simulated, eternal or otherwise... lots of reality left to explore and so much imagination out their, primed to produce new realities for others to explore...
I don't think average Joe is gonna know what hit him/her over the coming years. Errr, for average Joe, Check out 'augmented reality contact lenses' >_< Safe starting place
I have been Realist, Ty!
TLDR - GET OUT THE SCIENCE FORUM