Nope. Yet to sell due to being busy irl and not having access to my spreadsheet, but disappointed I must say
Cache farming 50:50 split
Started by DedeSiregar [2430598] on in Faction Discussion.
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You're correct, I'm not a cache farmer. My sole objective is to win (without use of mercs either as that also takes the fun out of the RW for but it's a valid tactic).
My problem is cache farming ruins ranked WAR. I appreciate why you do it, and completely see the benefits of it, and that works for you and your faction members. I just think the whole purpose in war should be actually warring and battling it out for the rewards.
My problem is cache farming ruins ranked WAR. I appreciate why you do it, and completely see the benefits of it, and that works for you and your faction members. I just think the whole purpose in war should be actually warring and battling it out for the rewards.
Then shut up. You don't know shit what we are talking about here. Yeah shove that preaching down your throat. No body gives a f**k how you play the game so don't tell us how to play our game.
if there is an easy way to get good rewards why have to use the hard way lol
the difference is like one uses the brain and the other uses the muscles
the difference is like one uses the brain and the other uses the muscles
Literally quote where I've told you to play your game?
I've actually agreed with why you do it.
All ok at home? Sounding a little tense over there... Could do with some decent warring if you ask me..
I've actually agreed with why you do it.
All ok at home? Sounding a little tense over there... Could do with some decent warring if you ask me..
"big brains are important, but big muscles are more importanter"... Right?
i prefer balanced :)
Communicating just fine. Perhaps you need a knock on your head so your braincells gets a wake up call if you seriously believes a 50/50 split is fair. Why on earth would lets say my Shadow Warrior want to give away caches for a 50/50 split when we are strong enough to shake up more 90% of factions we match up vs.
Please do explain that logic.
You are just another sad dumb twat looking for attention/karma. Now piss off please. Theres enough wannabees in this game crying for public attention, we do not need more of your kind.
Please do explain that logic.
You are just another sad dumb twat looking for attention/karma. Now piss off please. Theres enough wannabees in this game crying for public attention, we do not need more of your kind.
ive been part of a few multi day tug of wars (in silver, gold and plat) and the rewards never stack up for the time and effort put in (and the cost!)
We've actually done this in one of our recent wars. The Inquisition is currently Platinum 2, and with our hidden rank of Gold II there is no chance we can provide a fun fight. Group fights aside, fighting a faction with average stats higher then your higher statted is just a confirmed loss unless you're willing to throw billions at it. And where is the fun in paying billions to mercs to turtle?
The deal we made was pretty simple, we pre negotiated the outcome of who wins and who goes for participation rewards, then at the end we split the caches 50/50. Both factions got a ~7b payout in caches for essentially a few low risk "chain" hits.
Would we like to have tough wars we can fight instead? Yes of course, but in our current bracket we either make deals for lucrative payouts, or derank back to gold 2 to start our cycle of Win / loss / win / loss / win / loss again.
The deal we made was pretty simple, we pre negotiated the outcome of who wins and who goes for participation rewards, then at the end we split the caches 50/50. Both factions got a ~7b payout in caches for essentially a few low risk "chain" hits.
Would we like to have tough wars we can fight instead? Yes of course, but in our current bracket we either make deals for lucrative payouts, or derank back to gold 2 to start our cycle of Win / loss / win / loss / win / loss again.
Drama aside, the way I see it. The faction taking participation rewards essentially loses maybe 50 million in xanax costs and 20 minutes of their time for the easiest payday available.
Seeing energy is valuable when you want to train, I'd happily tell my guys they'll have to do 5-10 hits and get paid ludicrious amounts for those 10 hits.
If this deal was the norm, you'd essentially do a mini chain or a micro chain a week for billions in caches every week.
Seeing energy is valuable when you want to train, I'd happily tell my guys they'll have to do 5-10 hits and get paid ludicrious amounts for those 10 hits.
If this deal was the norm, you'd essentially do a mini chain or a micro chain a week for billions in caches every week.
As the winner you get bonus point payout + bonus respect for winning.
So whats your point, you prefer losing because?
So whats your point, you prefer losing because?
Seeing energy is valuable when you want to train, I'd happily tell my guys they'll have to do 5-10 hits and get paid ludicrious amounts for those 10 hits.
Like I mentioned here, I would yes. 50% rewards for 20 minutes of time is a deal i'll gladly take anytime. Ranks are meaningless to me with how the system works, in a deal all I care about is energy spent versus reward.
Spending practically 0 money and 0 stress on a ranked war for good payouts. I don't see how this is a bad deal unless you highly care about the symbol that says your faction is a certain rank.
No, its about "giving" a much weaker side "free" money/caches.
You want a fair split, regardless what you save in terms of Energy, a 50/50 would not be one.
Why would a much stronger faction want to give you, a much weaker side almost twice the caches you would gain from losing and in return lose caches compared to what they gain from just simply winning the war.
Energy spent or not, this is a autistic point of view and nothing els. You gain valuable respect from winning a RW, you might wanna calculate how much $ the extra respect you gain for your faction for winning + the bonus respect you get for winning. And remember this, RW is like Wall farming, fastest way you can possible chain up respect for your faction.
50/50 split is fair? What a absolute joke.
You want a fair split, regardless what you save in terms of Energy, a 50/50 would not be one.
Why would a much stronger faction want to give you, a much weaker side almost twice the caches you would gain from losing and in return lose caches compared to what they gain from just simply winning the war.
Energy spent or not, this is a autistic point of view and nothing els. You gain valuable respect from winning a RW, you might wanna calculate how much $ the extra respect you gain for your faction for winning + the bonus respect you get for winning. And remember this, RW is like Wall farming, fastest way you can possible chain up respect for your faction.
50/50 split is fair? What a absolute joke.
You couldn't have picked a worse example. Shadow Warrior currently has a 50:50 win:lose ratio.
https://www.torn.com/page.php?sid=factionWarfare#/ranked/45421
https://www.torn.com/page.php?sid=factionWarfare#/ranked/45421
take a step back, and let's look at this from a perspective of somebody who actually cares about having the maximum profit for their members e.
Who cares what the opponent gets? It matters what the faction you're in yourself gets for the effort they put in. A win could cost you valuable resources, time and energy to obtain.
I'll make my point as clear as possible:
3 days of 1000e a day, for a win reward of 9b. let's assume you've spent 0 on mercs, revives or any outside help but just xannies and natural e.
Now, your faction makes a deal and requires you to only spend one singular stack of 1000e. And takes home 6,5 billion in caches. Time allocated to the war outside, how do you not see that this is a better deal for your energy?
So again,
Because they make more money per energy.
Yes, winning does reward you with more respect and that's something you can't really split. But does a 5 million + respect faction really care about the 20k respect they get for that war? or are you just bringing up respect because you're in a cache farm yourself currently and getting respect is important?
Every faction has different priorities, in your specific case it might be beneficial to always go for the win. In my case it's now more benficial to make a deal.
Who cares what the opponent gets? It matters what the faction you're in yourself gets for the effort they put in. A win could cost you valuable resources, time and energy to obtain.
I'll make my point as clear as possible:
3 days of 1000e a day, for a win reward of 9b. let's assume you've spent 0 on mercs, revives or any outside help but just xannies and natural e.
Now, your faction makes a deal and requires you to only spend one singular stack of 1000e. And takes home 6,5 billion in caches. Time allocated to the war outside, how do you not see that this is a better deal for your energy?
So again,
Why would a much stronger faction want to give you, a much weaker side almost twice the caches you would gain from losing and in return lose caches compared to what they gain from just simply winning the war.
Because they make more money per energy.
Energy spent or not, this is a autistic point of view and nothing els. You gain valuable respect from winning a RW, you might wanna calculate how much $ the extra respect you gain for your faction for winning + the bonus respect you get for winning
Yes, winning does reward you with more respect and that's something you can't really split. But does a 5 million + respect faction really care about the 20k respect they get for that war? or are you just bringing up respect because you're in a cache farm yourself currently and getting respect is important?
Every faction has different priorities, in your specific case it might be beneficial to always go for the win. In my case it's now more benficial to make a deal.
We’ll we’ve got a first this week I’m sure, my opponent chose to turn down a deal for them to win at a 60/40 ratio to them, instead they’ve decided to war over a weekend chasing hits and dragging out chains, with all the revivers busy in island war 2.0, I think this is a crazy idea, but some people have trust issues no matter how clean my 17 year playing career is and how many positive references I provide from other like minded rank war dealers.
ah well guess we’ll get our flying hours up for the merit, might even run a comp for whoever flies the longest.
ah well guess we’ll get our flying hours up for the merit, might even run a comp for whoever flies the longest.
For cache farms it makes perfect sense on why a stronger (stats wise) faction would sell the win for a 50/50 split.
Cache farms at plat take a 5-7 cache reward with no bonuses, so you could essentially war for 3-4 days wasting time and E for a 2B loot, or, you could sell the win at a 50/50 split and the weaker team gets underdog and you’d essentially get the same for making 1/5th the amount of hits in 1/10th the amount of time.
Youre also taking the gamble, whether the odds are in your favour or not, of you winning. I’ve disappointed a few factions who massively out-statted us and turtle warred the win from them.
The points I’ll agree with you on are the respect gained comparison, but for the ridiculously easy 2-3B, it’s a worth while loss, or you can do a 500 chain with 10 of you in an hour to make up the difference.
In a 50vs50 war this setup is debatable, in a 15vs15 war this setup works great.
Cache farms at plat take a 5-7 cache reward with no bonuses, so you could essentially war for 3-4 days wasting time and E for a 2B loot, or, you could sell the win at a 50/50 split and the weaker team gets underdog and you’d essentially get the same for making 1/5th the amount of hits in 1/10th the amount of time.
Youre also taking the gamble, whether the odds are in your favour or not, of you winning. I’ve disappointed a few factions who massively out-statted us and turtle warred the win from them.
The points I’ll agree with you on are the respect gained comparison, but for the ridiculously easy 2-3B, it’s a worth while loss, or you can do a 500 chain with 10 of you in an hour to make up the difference.
In a 50vs50 war this setup is debatable, in a 15vs15 war this setup works great.
Bruv did you have a bad day or what? You entirely misunderstood monkeys approach here.
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