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Amsterdam anti-Jewish Pogroms

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Vernunzio [730674]

Violent armed mobs of Arabs (not to impugn all Arabs or all Muslims, but these are unfortunately the characteristics of this violent armed mob) are hunting Jewish soccer fans in Amsterdam. The local police have done little to intervene, and it is not being picked up by many news networks.

 

Waiting to see how P&L's pro-Hamas crowd spins this to differentiate anti-Zionism from antisemitism. Stop pretending. We know they are one and the same.

 

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828103

 

 

 

 

Intricate [1957884]

Following the severe and violent incidents against Israelis in Amsterdam, with the direction of the political echelon, and in accordance with a situational assessment, the IDF is preparing to immediately deploy a rescue mission with the coordination of the Dutch government. 

The mission will be deployed using cargo aircraft and include medical and rescue teams. The IDF Homefront Command will lead the rescue mission with the cooperation of various IDF directorates, branches, and Israeli security authorities.

Sicknature [2087102]

Not picking any sides here and certainly don't condone any form of violence but the news only shows one side of the story here (at least from what I saw on the news this morning)

But yesterday a lot of video's showed up on social media where Israëlic supporters tore down Palestinian flags and burned them on the Dam square and harassing cab drivers.

Just before the match started there was 1 minute of silence for Spain and the supporters made loads of noise, whistles and fireworks during the 1 minute of silence, very disrespectful imo..

When escorted away in busses after the match you can see the video's of them provoking, giving middlefingers and slamming on the windows.

Once again, I don't condone the violence on them or anything that happened in Amsterdam but there are 2 stories which they don't show on the news.

(Tl:dr: typo's etc, I'm not english)

Sannemander [2088627]

Two videos shot Wednesday showed Israeli fans climbing walls to pull Palestinian flags down from second-story windows; in one of the clips, scores of Israelis gathered below cheer and the flag is burned on the street. Maccabi hooligans also sang an anti-Arab chant Thursday as they entered the stadium.

Other footage seemed to show Israelis engaging in violence themselves. One dashboard camera clip posted Wednesday night by a Dutch taxi driver appeared to show a Maccabi fan smashing a taxi with an iron chain. Another video — it was unclear whether it was shot Wednesday or Thursday — appeared to show about 50 Israeli fans doing the chasing.

 

There was also disagreement online about what was happening in some of the videos. One was widely shared on Jewish social media accounts as evidence of a mob attack against Israelis, but the woman who recorded the video said it showed Maccabi supporters ganging up on a Dutch man.

 

For the rest, seems the average football game in Amsterdam nowadays.

xMrPink [221113]

To add to this, they whistled and chanted through the planned minute silence in solidarity with Valencia ahead of kick off.

 

Play silly games, win silly prizes.

xMrPink [221113]

The clear video of them chanting “f**k Palestine” whilst climbing property that does not belong to them and pulling down a Palestine flag.

 

or the video of them decsending the steps chanting “kill the Arabs” - pretty clear that they went there with the intention of causing violence. Not uncommon in football hooliganism. 

They got their violence and now they’re playing victim. 

Vernunzio [730674]

So you think that some Jews saying something, making an offensive gesture, or tearing down a flag justifies mobs of people assaulting any Jew they can find? Interesting take.

 

The allegedly peaceful campus pro-Intifada encampments have done worse than the Jewish soccer fans are accused of. 

Sannemander [2088627]

They attacked people also, including a taxi driver. seems they are just a bunch of hooligans.

 

I mean, all people involved are responsible for their actions, and I hope everyone doing violence will get caught for this, but to see this as a one sided incident is just false.

xMrPink [221113]

No.

 

But I do believe that football hooligans supporting Maccabi Tel Aviv travelled to Amsterdam with the intention to incite violence through anti-Arab and anti-Palestinian behaviour. And that they were met by football hooligans supporting Ajax who rose to that ask for violence.

 

I have never condoned hooliganism, however if you go looking for it, you’re usually going to find it. It’s part of European football culture. European football fans are incredibly territorial. If you disrespect their city, their home, it can and often does lead to violence.

 

It is not antisemitism, it’s football hooliganism. 

Collete [1389080]

I dont speak hebrew and many videos posted in here get false captions I saw the climbing but didnt see the flag thats why I asked if you had a better video as some of those are small

Laraki [2559861]

Well i speak from a neutral possion. What I have seen is that hooligans from Tel Aviv had a very prevokeing behavior something that the media skips.

 

The night when they arrived in Amsterdam they start to chant kill the arabs. Then they attacked a taxi driver attacking taxi drivers is a bad idea if you attack 1 then you will be in a war with all the taxi driver's in the entire city but thats everywhere also here in my city. They attacked houses who had the Palestinian flag on thier window. Then on the top of that they disrespected the Dana victems in Valencia by booing during 1 minute silence thats really disgusting. If you behave like that then you can get a reaction from the locals thats not antisemitism.

 

If Maccabi Tel Aviv has a match to play with Valencia CF tomorrow. Then yea.. after they disrespected the Dana victems....we both know whats gonna happend and that doesnt mean that Valencia CF are antisemitic they just react on the fact that Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans had no respect for thier people who died.

 

If FC Barcelona hooligans do bad behavior in London and they get a reaction we also dont say its anti catholic

 

However ofc I do believe there are people among the attackers from yesterday that indeed hate israeli people which is very wrong. But the behave of Tel aviv hooligans has put oil on fire. Some probably are not even from Amsterdam and came from a ohter city to look for a fight.

 

Its also important to note that not all Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are hooligans there are also Maccabi Tel Aviv fans who came to support thier team and behave them self great and even rejected the behavior of the hooligans but this fans are victem of hate and got attacked too and that makes it so sad this is what hate is put everyone on the same pile. f**k you for who you are. Thats what they are saying. People must have some respect I dont care if someone is Palestinian or Israeli they are both human beings who are victem of hate because there up there on the top there are people with a black suit and tie who have thier political interests.

 

You think Hamas cares about palestinan lives ? Ofc not they care only about thier own political ass. They did know Israel would react like this after thier terrorist attack. Same about people like Bezalel Smotrich he doesn't care about the israeli hostages he just see the war as a chance to annex Gaza

Hypocritical [1280905]

Do you think you lessen the importance of words like Pogrom when you use it to describe a few hooligans getting beaten up after they had been caught destroying properly, assaulting locals, singing about murdering Palestinian children , supporting genocide and booing a minute silence for the dead in a national disaster.

 

Do you think you lessen the claims of actual antisemitism when you describe them as hunting Jewish people when they are instead going for hooligans doing all the above?

 

Also in the very article you post it mentions that Dutch police have already lifted 62 people and riot police were out so it's weird you're lying and moaning about police "done little to intervene". Also most video's I've seen involved Dutch people and not Arabs, nice bit of racism to throw out there.

 

Sounds like a bunch of Israeli's thought they could treat the Dutch like they treat Palestinians, quickly found out people will hit you back without the IDF pointing a rifle at them and are now playing the victim card.

Hypocritical [1280905]

I think when you are actively committing a genocide you invite Nazi comparisons.

 

you didn't address much else of what I said, it clearly wasn't a pogrom and they were clearly attacked for being pro-genocide and not due to their religion, there were also lies about inaction of the police to further try and claim victimhood. Because lets be clear here these zionists were singing "There are no schools in Gaza because the children are dead" they believe there is a genocide being committed and they are happy about it

Asbestos [2605613]

Name checks out. 

By the way, the “literal Nazis” crowd was in place and doing their thing almost a month before Israel took any action at all.