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Drug crimes, my stats · · 24 likes

I had an idea to collect information about drug crimes done. It is said that drug crimes is high risk, with no safe crime.

Before I start:
1.) I do not have the education done which increases crime success rate. It may help to reduce the failed (blue) attempts, I'm not sure if it changes anything for how many times you get jailed.
2.) I have to thank everyone who busted me out (but dont celebrate too early, I'm not yet done with my drug crimes. I'm at 9828 drug crimes done (at the time I started writing this), so 172 more to go. And I probably forget to update this thread when I'm truly done).
3.) I refuse to keep looking at the activity log and see how far it can look back to double check my data, as that takes too much time (maybe a suggestion to add the option to open it in a seperate page with easier search functions).
4.) I dont intend to change the mindset of those pussies refusing to do drug crimes because the 'high jail rate' hurts their crime xp, if your mindset does change, good luck. But is it really high jail rate? Time to find out.

I had to look at numerous screenshots and even with that there was still some data missing, as I changed what I did over time. With some deductions and calculations added, as well as making good use of the personal stats graph, I came to something which cant be far from the truth.

It started as one of those things I like(d) to complete and have it done (and it's almost done).

Theory:
My theory is that as you do crimes you get crime xp, but the more crime xp you have the more crime xp you will loose when you get jailed (you loose a % crime xp). So if you have 60 nnb and you get jailed you loose more crime xp than when you are at 30 nnb.

Easy to calculate (unlikely to be the true values):
At 30 nnb you have 1.000 crime xp.
At 60 nnb you have 1.000.000 crime xp.

Jailed means a 1% loss in crime xp.
At 30 nnb with 1.000 crime xp the 1% loss equals a loss of 10 crime xp.
At 60 nnb with 1.000.000 crime xp the 1% loss equals a loss of 10.000 crime xp.
So better do high risk crimes (like drug crimes) when not yet at 60 nnb.

That was when I started doing drug crimes. I'm not sure that is correct, but with that theory I kept myself going.
From 13may2019 until today 15sept2020 (or yesterday by the time I have this thread posted) I did 9828 drug crimes.

With all my data together I made a list, from that list I created the following graph:
[image: profileimages.torn.com]
As you can see I didn't start at 0 times jailed. It was at 51 (you can see that in my personal stats). As of now at 9828 drug crimes done I have been jailed 575 times. This means that by doing 9828 drug crimes I was jailed 524 times. For some reason this wasnt what I thought it was, but numbers dont lie.

Unfortunately, I didn't write down the number of failed but not jailed results (this really bothers me, but whatever. I cannot turn back time). So I cannot give an exact number of times I clicked the drug crime, nor did I do nerve refills consistently (91 nerve refills done in total), and thus am unable to provide a chance on succesful doing drug crimes.

Conclusion:
Success: 9828 times
failed: ? times
Jailed: 524 times

However, if (speculation):
1.) Number of successes equals number of failed, then 9828 failed. 9828 success + 9828 failed + 524 jailed = 20.180 times that I clicked the drug crime. That means 20.180 * 8 nerve = 161.440 nerve used.
2.) Number of successes is twice the number of failed, then 4914 failed. 9828 success + 4914 failed + 524 jailed = 15.266 times that I clicked the drug crime. That means 15.266 * 8 nerve = 122.128 nerve used.

Whatever, it's just an indication, but is 524 times jailed compared to 9828 success really such a problem? It's almost 1 out of 20 drug crimes (excluding the failed attempts).

If you use my theory, that you loose 1% crimes xp each time you get jailed, then this would have cost me 5.240 crime xp at 30 nnb. However, at 60 nnb this would have cost me 5.240.000 crime xp. But even if it is just 0,05% loss in crime xp (or any other factor), then it's still better do drug crimes early on.

And again: I do not have completed the Bachelor of Psychological Sciences course yet, so if you have that and use more nerve refills, less candy and more expensive alcohol items or more cannabis, or all those things, then you can do the drug crimes much faster and with more sucess compared to me.

Of course, the fabled crimes2.0 (?) may change this all. But are you the crybaby that waits for that, or are you the tough one and go for the drug crimes now? Whatever your choice is, good luck!

Item market fees paid · · 9 likes

Similar to stock received fees for selling after an update, and having that show in your personal stats. My suggestion here is to show the item market fees paid in your personal stats as well.

 

[image: i.imgur.com]

(This but for the item market.)

Were there ever dogs in Torn · · 5 likes

There still are dogs, but you dont like seeing them.

You used 11 nerve and failed burning down a warehouse going to hospital for 9h 09m
You were sent to hospital for 9h 09m : Mauled by a guard dog

Self hosp while under attack still possible · · 3 likes

In the past it was possible to do crimes to be jailed or use medical items (wrong blood bags to stop a fight or medical items to add health to prolong a fight/have a chance to defend) while under attack. Doing high risk crimes (like drug crimes) during attack has been patched since 21september2021 (see patch notes here), so is the use of medical items (not sure since when).

Things like
[image: i.imgur.com]
have been patched. Nobody can do crimes or use medical items while under attack.

The issue:
Today I found out that small explosive devices can still be used during an attack. The hospital message on the target profile was "got a nasty surprise in the post". This was used similar to how crimes and medical items were used to deny a defeat. Is this intended? And if this is intended, why block the ability to do crimes or use a wrong blood bag to self hospitalize while under attack?

For the attacker it looks like this:
[image: i.imgur.com]

Activity log:
01:13:53 - 14/02/23 You used 25 energy attacking Pparty but failed due to a status change [view]

I post this in the bug/issue section because I believe this is not in line with the above mentioned patch to prevent players any action item use to disrupt a fight and waste precious energy.

I talked about it with Hoy (officer) because at first I couldnt find the patch list.

New (or old?) scammer! maniman [2223266] · · 9 likes

We just kicked Mercy-Girl [2550534] a while ago.

[image: i.imgur.com]

She was bountied with description scammer, so I wanted to know what she had done. But an aswer never came. That as new recruit for two hours, in combination with asking for stock, was a 1-way ticket out. Two days after that she was fedded for compromising an account (apparently she did more bad things than we were aware off). Anyway, that's old news.

Ten days later maniman [2223266] joined the faction and kept quiet for a while. Note: It hasnt even been 2 weeks since the previous scam attempt before it came again (but not with asking for stock but with asking for a pi).

[image: i.imgur.com]

Apparently she pm'ed others in my faction at the same time and luckily they were vigilant as well. She wanted stocks from them, so stocks after all. Maybe it's the same person as she didnt ask me for stocks, or just coincidence. Of course, after being kicked, she immediately logged off. Nothing new, I have seen that happen more than once. She probably expected bounties, maybe even logged in to another account to try again or to claim the expected bounties... who knows? Maybe she was even waiting on this thread... Surprise, surpise! It took a bit of time, but here it is!

But there are no bounties, since those probably won't work, after all it's another weak account, just like most of those kind of scammers, it will just waste $ and they dont care what happens to their account, seeing her activity.

We lost nothing (except some respect), her scam failed, easy kick out. I have read similar forum posts about this kind of situations where they did get something. It always helps when there is some information to be found. So whoever accepts her in their faction (or starts a trade with her), BEWARE!

P.S.: Vigilant true to the name of the faction.

Recent archived posts

9 Lives Finishes First - Co-Captain Tells All!! · · 12 likes

I decided last year: Ye, ok, from now on I would join Elimination.

 

I managed to do 96 attacks with my 100mbps. Damn, you freaks are fast hitting my targets or me.

Village Idiots, my team, eliminated first.

 

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I decided this year: Ye, ok, last time was just bad luck. Cannot go any worse this year.

 

I managed to do 181 attacks with my 100mbps. Damn, you freaks are fast hitting my targets or me.

Nine Lives, my team, eliminated first.

 

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Luck very rarily is on my side.

At least I can say I got first in something twice, just no rewards.

Anyone else here who has similar experience?

 

[RW] The Next Level VS BHoM · · 3 likes

My 100mbps fought like hell, I'm glad you allowed me to do a few hits. Thank you.

SE Giveaway! ·

My luck has never been good, but let's give this a try.

Cesium 400m · · 1 like

The honour I dont have yet. Make it happen. :)

 

Yes, we can! 😎

What's a racket? ·

Every factions can get them, but keeping them is another thing. Territory wars can start because of them.

Blank 'Give to User' page in faction · · 1 like

You just received permission, but did not refresh the page to use that permission?

 

You use an adblocker and blocked the element?

How do you like the Awards page rebuild? ·

I never used torn stats, was able to see my progress through the personal stats and comparing that to what was required. Nothing missed out on. Sometimes I used the Wiki, but I noticed that wasnt always updated with new awards. Still very useful.

 

Although this updated award page looks good, I dont like the tabs at the top. Please return it to the side.

Item market fees paid · · 9 likes

Similar to stock received fees for selling after an update, and having that show in your personal stats. My suggestion here is to show the item market fees paid in your personal stats as well.

 

[image: i.imgur.com]

(This but for the item market.)

What are YOUR goals for 2025? ·

2025 goals:

 

Huge growth in stats, I have my sub goals.

Get that honour you get when you use your first SE.

Read my first book.

Get that honour you get when you win 250 races with 1 car (I dont race often).

Finally buy the yaught. (already have it)

 

MaoL vs ODB · · 4 likes

How many racing points will I earn before they make their first hit?

Daily Playerstat Snapshots · · 1 like

Evidentally I am. I log in like everyone, I train my energy, do crimes and participate in wars and chains.

 

I indeed do not use whatever bsp, ts and tt is, nor do I use yata. The game is what it is.

Daily Playerstat Snapshots · · 1 like

See that example about stripping down, having more stats or not, that is all part of the game. Scripts are 3rd party tools, which not everyone uses. I do not enforce anything, I dont have the power or leverage to do so, nor do I want to. I voice my opinion and suggestions to make it more fair for everyone.

 

And if Torn goes this way or that way, I will still play Torn, but without 3rd party tools.

Daily Playerstat Snapshots ·

I play Torn just like anyone else here, don't I?

Daily Playerstat Snapshots ·

Sure. You have this where you can add your ideas. You can add your terms "efficiency" and "quality of life" to it, to make it look like you cannot, or maybe will not, play without. Until it is added, it is not in-game.

 

Just play without scripts. Dont need all this nonsense. Even the playing field for everyone.

Daily Playerstat Snapshots ·

You point at API, not me. I dont know what the scripts you or anyone else use, nor what it collects or where from. What you can manually do, you do not need scripts for. So why bother with scripts?

Daily Playerstat Snapshots ·

You cant see all personal stats. Some are intentionally hidden.

Daily Playerstat Snapshots ·

If you cant see personal stats through in-game links, views, whatever, you should not be able to see them through 3rd party scripts/tools. This is the unfair advantage that those with scripts have over those without.

 

The development team made the decision what you can view, and you accepted it by playing the game. Whatever you say how much your gameplay got impacted by changes now, just means that you use scripts to give you an unfair advantage over those who don't.

 

To give a comparison: Kids at school who dont get caught cheating on a test, when they are actually cheating, will have better results than those who struggle every day to learn for said test. Does it mean that cheating is allowed because it gives better results or because it makes life easier? No. However it still happens, so is that fair?

New shoplifting unique - Crime #13 inbound? ·

What is the new crime going to be?

I vote for a gta crime. The source of cars is drying up. Docks dont sell every car.

 

But they may wait even longer with that, considering the nerve cost of Crimes1.0 gta crimes...

Xenon vs M'aol (the other one) · · 9 likes

After all things were said which had to be said, I like to say (or repeat if it has already been said), this war had an unexpected turn when everyone was like we won, something like 500r to go, fly back, go to sleep. And that's when they all came in one massive wave.

 

Unexpected, yes.

Surprised, oh yes.

Impressed, yes.

A challenge, definitely.

 

I have seen turning points in more wars I have been in. Well fought.

 

This is how wars should be, but on a sunday night...?

1000 retals ·

Where is the retal hof? Link please. Regardless, well done!

 

(I think I did pretty well too...)