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Rewarding progress · · 26 likes


For a while now I've wanted to do this but couldn't really think of a fair way but I think my current plan will benefit newer players which is what i've intended.

Now with that of the way I'd like to give away money to players (well unless scammer or any other reason which falls into similar categories) but instead of simply giving money away i want to do it as a reward for making progress in the game the way this will work. If you go to http://www.torn.com/halloffame.php

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If you've gone up in 6 different categories then you'll qualify for a reward, but here's the important part on how what i give you works out

if you have 6 then i'll do a reverse bounty system in that if you're level 1 and you have 6 or more then i'll give you $1,000,000 - if you're level 100 then i'll give you $10,000

Hopefully this will help new players and encourage more use of the forums and adding to the community, if you have any questions feel free to ask and i'll try and get back to you :)

Rules: the image must contain your hof + your username on the lefthand side.
edit: list of money and those sent to

You sent $560,000 to TheDarkLegacy.
You sent $660,000 to CastleQueen.
You sent $840,000 to pistolpete85.
You sent $870,000 to Kiwipowa.
You sent $910,000 to LordSam.
You sent $740,000 to getRich.
You sent $810,000 to Cookie_Miester.
You sent $770,000 to Nowai.
You sent $850,000 to LethalKiss.
You sent $930,000 to kashish123.
You sent $770,000 to Adityaneel10.
You sent $820,000 to HandsomePants.
You sent $940,000 to Scaletto.
You sent $600,000 to td3h.
You sent $950,000 to drinthap.
You sent $470,000 to Yuno_Lift.
You sent $920,000 to No_yolo_plz.
You sent $930,000 to ppsingh.
You sent $740,000 to JussiJernkuuk.
You sent $670,000 to Kinzove.
You sent $950,000 to riya2906.
You sent $820,000 to Sheepdizzle.
You sent $520,000 to NaWigaTor.
You sent $830,000 to Chandler_Bing.
You sent $500,000 to SPADES-.
You sent $960,000 to MechaEvol.
You sent $850,000 to OmegaTheGreat.
You sent $800,000 to Sheepdizzle.
You sent $900,000 to Wilmife.
You sent $340,000 to Lord_Gorgen.


Mat's stock "guide" · · 517 likes

Edit: - so far over 3,500 words; i'll be taking a break and will be coming back to add more information and graphics to this but for now i'm just going to post this and see what people think before putting another few hours into it

I was just asked by a new player about stocks and decided to try and show them a guide for stocks in this section but was surprised that no one had made one so I thought to myself perhaps I should go ahead and make one so other players could perhaps benefit and maybe understand the stocks better. I should also say this guide wont explain how to make money or what to do with your money it'll simply explain what stocks are.


Index:
1. Introduction
2. Information on each stock
3. Item pay out ratios to investment (using current prices, subject to change with market)
4. Listing of useful and not so useful benefits
5. Discussion on benefit blocks and investments
6. Outside effects (note: players are dividend on if these actually impact much but they're declared by the system)
*7. Changes which have happened since the creation of the guide.

1. Introduction

Welcome to the guide which will hopefully cover the stock market within the world of Torn. Some important things to note is that to first get into stocks you'll need to buy a stock ticker which can be purchased from the point market (not the one where you buy points) for 20 points. Once you've done that you're ready to start buying stock. Another important thing to note is that the stock market is risky, while it's true that you're likely to make money from the stocks if you know what you're doing it's not unheard of to make a loss even if you know what you're doing, I've heard from people who've invested 100b+ make massive losses up 10% simply because of how hard it can be to sell stock.

[image: i.gyazo.com](I own the stock ticker, will look different if you haven't)

Right now it takes exactly one week for the NPC to start buying stock, it's important to know that this doesn't mean your stock will instantly sell once it his the magical one week but instead the NPC will buy your stock gradually from 10 shares to 1 million shares, it's completely random. It does this to help keep the market active because it's hard to sell stock when everyone buys low and sells high. Stocks often skyrocket or crash within a 1 week time frame so you
should keep this in mind.

Lastly for the introduction section there are two ways to buy stock right now, you can either invest with X amount of money so that if you're planning to say invest 1 billion torn bucks you don't need to calculate. The other option is to buy X amount of shares so if you're looking to buy a benefit block you don't need to calculate the costs you can simply buy the number of shares needed and it'll let you know the cost on the confirmation screen.

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As for the different tabs each do the following:-

Info: This tab shows the basic information relating to the stock as well as some "role play" elements such as the name of the CEO for the company, useful for finding the number of shares currently on the market, how many shares are in the game on total and the market cap (value) of the total shares within the game.

About: This tab displays a description of the company which mostly add to "role play" flavour, the important information can be seen on the left hand side is very important as they inform you of what affects the value of the shares which aren't simply to do with the shares itself. They also hold the information for each stock for how many shares you need to unlock the benefit of that stock as well as what the benefit is. (important to note that these benefits used to take time before becoming active, now they're instant and become active as soon as you own the number of shares needed)

Graph: The graph is simply that, it displays the value of the stock in question over a number of time frames which are 24 hours, 7 days, one month, 6 months and a year. This is useful for working out if investing is good for stock as you can compare its history and get quick information on the value of it.

Latest Changes: This is the simplest tab, it basically shows you the 15 minute quarterly updates.

Buy: as explained at the start, to buy stock by shares or by money investment.

2. Information on each stock

This section will cover every stock within the game, the number of shares needed to unlock the benefit block and what the benefit block is.

Torn city stock exchange - TCSE

No benefit - This stock is used to simply display the total value of all stock within the game, never buy this stock as there is no point in doing so, selling this stock is extremely hard as the system doesn't buy this stock back and there's not benefit block.



I Industries Ldt - IIL

Number of shares: 100,000
Benefit: Improve coding time by 50%



Torn City Investment Banking - TCB

Number of shares: 1,500,000
Benefit: Improves the interest rate for banking



Symbiotic Ltd. - SYM

Number of shares: 500,000
Benefit: Random Drug packs (weekly on average)



Torn City and Shanghai Banking Corporation - TSBC

Number of shares: 4,000,000
Benefit: Gives random dividens which can be over 1 month in time relative to the amount invested


Wind Lines Travels - WLT

Number of shares: 9,000,000
Benefit: Access to private jet which is free travel as well as majorly reduced times when flying.



Crude & Co - CNC

Number of Shares: 5,000,000
Benefit: Gives a discount to those buying a new oil rig as well as giving improved profit to oil rig companies.



Yazoo - YAZ

Number of Shares: 1,000,000
Benefit: Free banner advertisements within the newspaper



Mc Smoogle Corp - MCS

Number of shares: 1,750,000
Benefit: Will randomly boost your energy by 300 (can be done while asleep)



Lucky Shots Casino - LSC

Number of shares: 100,000
Benefit: Pays out a lottery ticket (once a week on average)



Big Al's Gun Shop - BAG

Number of shares: 3,000,000
Benefit: Gives random payout for ammo (special ammo, the ones you can purchase with mission points)



Syscore MFG - SYS

Number of shares: 3,000,000
Benefit: Protects your company from being hacked by those within a computing/tech company stealing 1-3% of your company bank



Torn City Motors - TCM

Number of shares: 1,000,000
Benefit: 25% discount when buying car parts



International School TC - ISTC

Number of shares: 100,000
Benefit: Free education courses



Torn City Health Service - TCHS

Number of shares: 150,000
Benefit: Free box of medical pack (once a week on average)



Home Retail Group - HRG

Number of shares: 1,500,000
Benefit: Will give one free random property (important to note this goes up to castle, does not give private island or unique properties and is once a week on average)



TC Media Productions - TCP

Number of shares: 1,000,000
Benefit: 10% bonus on company profits



Feathery Hotel Group - FHG

Number of shares: 2,000,000
Benefit: Feathery hotel coupon which can be used to give 500 happy and fully refill your energy (once a week on average)



Torn City Clothing - TCC

Number of shares: 350,000
Benefit: Dividends which payout relative to the value of the stock



Eaglewood Mercenary - EMW

Number of shares: 2,000,000
Benefit: Box of Grenades (once a week on average)



Grain - GRN

Number of shares: 500,000
Benefit: Dividends which payout relative to the value of the stock



The Torn City Times - TCT

Number of shares: 125,000
Benefit: Free personal placements on the newspaper



Society and Legal Authorities Group - SLAG

Number of shares: 1,500,000
Benefit: Lawyer business card which can be used for a one time use to have you taken out of jail (on average once every 14 days)



West Side South Bank University - WSSB

Number of shares: 1,000,000
Benefit: -10% education time



Messaging Inc - MSG

Number of shares: 300,000
Benefit: Free advertisement placements on the newspaper



The Empty Lunchbox Building Traders - ELBT

Number of shares: 5,000,000
Benefit: 10% discount on all home upgrades (does not include the cost of staff)



Evil Duck Candy Corp - EVL

Number of shares: 1,750,000
Benefit: Random payouts which boost your happy (1,000 happy every 3 days on average)



Insured On Us - IOU

Number of shares: 3,000,000
Benefit: Random divined shares similar to the value of the benefit block + will get random "lawyer" cases from players who complete the city job that will give you random payouts



Tell Group PLC -TGP

Number of shares: 2,500,000
Benefit: Massively boosts the company advertisement (must be director)



TC Music Industries - TMI

Number of shares: 6,000,000
Benefit: random dividends relating to the value of the benefit block



Performance Ribaldry Network - PRN

Number of shares: 1,500,000
Benefit: Erotic DVDs (once a week on average)

3. Item pay out ratios to investment

To help those who are looking to buy benefit blocks (BBs) I've added this section to share what the payout % ratio is to the CURRENT value, this section I will try to keep updated once a month however do check for yourself before buying anything if basing your purchase on this section, you have been warned.

Well first we should find out what stock actually pay out with "weekly" items:

PRN
EWM
SLAG
FHG
HRG
TCHS
LSC
SYM

It is also important to note that I'll not be adding in dividend stock as they're very infrequent as some can pay out twice in one week and sometimes it can take 2-3 months for a payout. Another important thing to note is I've added HRG to the list however it pays out in "random" items so when valuing it will be under my personal opinion as the % for each house isn't public or at least not to myself, if found this section will be updated to reflect.

Stock name - Cost per benefit - Value of item - Ratio (to two decimal places)

PRN - 210m - 1.3m - 0.61%
SLAG - 313m - 1.2m - 0.25% (once every 14 days confirmed by ched)
EWM - 630m - 1.2m - 0.19%
FHG - 710m - 13.5m - 1.90 %
HRG - 550.5m - around 1m - 0.18%
TCHS - 62.2m - 300k - 0.48%
LSC - 50.8m - 850k - 1.67%
SYM - 293m - 4.4m - 1.50%

this is the weekly (on average) money return you'll make one each stock and once again this is only updated for Feb 2015.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AV9FshkltK9vd9rbnjCs1yTaXRn8LzybAefjNlbMXM4/edit?usp=sharing
(use this to work out up to date values)

4. Listing of useful and not so useful benefits

This will be a list of the stock which I personally find to be useful and those which I find to not be useful, I'll all add a brief reason rather than simply saying which is and which isn't so that you can understand the reasons. Also as this is opinion based it's likely that other will disagree due to having different view points so I'll try and be as objective as possible.

Useful:
TCB - This gives you improved investment rates when investing money to the city, very useful as it's common place for a player to invest 2 billion (the max) into the city for 3 months which will cover the cost of drugs and rehab for those 3 months.

SYM - Gives an item which can be sold for profit or can be used to give a chance of getting 10 vico or 10 xanax

TSBC - While still a dividend stock it returns large sums of money as the stock itself stocks a lot to gain the benefit and so when it does payout it pays out well.

WLT - Useful for those who travel a lot, while a private island reduces time for travel this will reduce it even further so if you're in need of getting from A to B quickly to buy something or to gain merits or to simply rehab, a very useful stock.

YAZ - This allows you to place an advertisement banner which is better than the other newspaper benefits as it'll show up in most sections of the newspaper, be click-able to your profile, can be made for whatever torn related reason you want and will remain active for a week.

MCS - This would be one of the best stocks as it give you random 300E payouts, while E used to go back to the original max it no longer does this and will stack the 300E meaning if sleeping you may log in with 450E or worst case you log out, log in to find 300E in the morning, that's still 150E more than expected.

LSC - Gives you an item which can be sold for profit or can be used to give 100 entries in the lottery.

TCHS - Gives you an item which can be sold for profit or used for medical items

HRG - Gives you a random property and has the rare chance of giving you a castle

FHG - Gives a weekly item which can be sold for profit or used for an energy refill + 500 Happy

SLAG - Gives an item once every 14 days which can be sold for profit or used

IOU - Gives you random chances of getting money from lawyer cases + dividend random payouts

TMI - While a dividend stock, it returns large sums making it more useful than lower dividend stocks

PRN - Gives a weekly item which can be sold for profit or used

WSSB - with the update to WSSB now removing 10% education time it's extremely useful, from start to finish it'll save months of time in education.

EVL - This should now be considered useful This will give a boost to your happy once every 3 days on average (boosted from once a week). Happy plays a huge part in the gains you get, over a week you'll drop a lot of happy and start to notice a loss to stat gains (10-20% in extreme cases) so unless you're FHCing EVL works as a good balance to maintaining happy and maintaining gains.




Not Useful:

TCSE - This stock does nothing, it's used to simply show the total value of all stocks and thus worthless.

IIL - This stock is used to reduce coding times for viruses by 50% which helps towards one merit, apart from that, utterly useless

BAG - BAG being updated is still useless while less useless than it was. Unless you're a hardcore fan of "fun" ammo, I'd suggest suggest avoiding.

TCM - 25% off car parts, it sounds nice but when you realize that buying car parts is extremely cheap and you'll be restricted more with the racing points rather than the price of the parts itself it quickly becomes redundant, more so when it saves you a million while costing hundreds of millions.

ISTC - This stick gives free education which is nice but as education is so cheap it doesn't make sense to buy, you'll most likely lose more from the stock dropping than the education benefits.

GRN - Dividend stock, low value, low payout rates, low payout value.

TCT - Free personal ads, rarely used in the game itself, cheap vs cost of stock..

MSG - Free adverts within the newspaper, they were useful until trade chat came along and replaces the need for them while also being free.

Unique Group- This section will be for stock benefits which are rather useful however only when in a certain situation such as owning a company so are normally useless unless doing the related thing:

C&C - This stock is great for people who are planning to start up their own oil rig and is arguably a must for those who currently run their own oil rig. The issue is simply that the number of people doing those things are very few and so it's easy to suggest staying staying from this benefit block.

SYS - This stock is used to prevent others using the hacking perk which is used to steal between 1-3% of a company bank. It's a must for those who store large sums of money within a company however for those who don't and even more so for those who don't own a company it's a useless stock.

TCP - This stock grants 10% more profits for a company and once again follows the problem in that unless you own a company it's utterly useless.

ELBT - ELBT is used to give 10% cheaper house upgrades, this is useful if you're looking to upgrade a property such as a private island however it's important to note that it's likely to be cheap on the market than to use this stock and buy/upgrade from scratch.

TGP - This stocks once again falls into the "you must own a company to have this be useful" trap, it grants a boost to company advertisement which is great but as before mentioned.

5. Discussion on benefit blocks and investments

Okay now It's safe to say you know a fair bit about the stock when it comes to their values, their benefits and so on but now it's time to talk about the two ways to "invest" into stocks. The first way to invest and is the more common way when starting out with stocks is to invest into a stock just for their benefit block. This has a wide range of benefits as it'll allow you to not only have a constant source of income as you'll normally be investing in those which return profit but it means you'll be safe knowing that even if the stock itself lowers in value you'll retain the benefit.

The other way to invest is simply to put money into a stock which you think will go up in value over time. This way of investing is normally saved for those with large sums of money and carries huge risks but also huge benefits. When starting out I'd suggest keeping away from this way of investing into the stocks until you know yourself more about the stocks and how they work to avoid losing money.

6. Outside effects

This section will cover outside effects on stocks which influence the direction a stock price will go, It's important to know these thing so that you're able to better predict through updates in the game, changes to items and so on how they'll impact a stock.

Dirty Bomb.
Okay it's fair to say that these things are very rare to ever show up but it's important to note that whenever a dirty bomb is dropped every stock within the game will lose value which will keep going for on average a few hours. It's best not to worry about these as stocks will normally go back to normal after this so when you see this happen do not panic.

Stock factors, the below will list what is given to already effect the direction of stock pricing but also note that not all stock show what in game activity do affect the stocks but this list will cover all the stock which do along with what does.

IIL:
  • A large number of our products are sold in the TC Super Store. The amount of personal computers purchased from here usually reflects back on our share prices.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon amount of computers purchased.
TCB:
  • The price of our shares is usually determined by the amount of people investing with us, the number one Torn City investment banking corporation.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the total money invested in the bank.
TSBC:
  • When lots of people store their money in their company bank accounts you'll see our share prices rise.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of money in company banks.
WLT:
  • When lots of people use us as their travel agency, you'll see our stock prices rise with the profits we make. A sudden influx of passengers usually results in a positive spike.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of people travelling in and out of Torn.
LSC:
  • Our share price is usually determined by how much we make from losses in the casino. If we have a good day, you'll see our share prices rise the next day.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount the casino gains from people losing.
BAG:
  • Lots of weapons purchased, means lots of profit. Our good days will show on the stock market.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of money spent in Big Al's shop.
ISTC:
  • When lots of people involve themselves in education with us and our partners, you'll often see our share price rise due to the projected future profits.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of people currently in education courses.
TCHS:
  • The TCHS stock will rise as more people need medical care. The TC Government pays us to give care to the people that come through our doors, busy days will produce decent spikes.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of people in hospital.
HRG:
  • Our profit is mainly gained from people purchasing properties from our TC based Estate Agency.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of money spent on properties by people.
TCP:
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of company advertising campaigns.
FHG:
  • We make a large portion of our profit from people refilling their energy at our hotels. When we have good days, you'll usually see our share prices rise the next.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of refills people have made.
TCT:
  • The more advertising campaigns we run, the more profit we make, thus, the higher our share price will rise.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of classified advertisements.
SLAG:
  • Our profits usually rise when lots of people are in jail. Of course, more people in jail means more people who need legal advice.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of people in jail.
WSSB:
  • When lots of people involve themselves in education with us and our partners, you'll often see our share price rise due to the projected future profits.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of people currently in education courses.
ELBT:
  • If more people buy houses, investors want to build more houses, thus increasing our profits, and in turn, increasing our share price.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of money spent on properties by people.
TGP:
  • Many companies use us to boost their popularity, this is where most of our daily profit comes from. This often increases our share price if we have a good day.
  • The performance of this stock relies upon the amount of company advertising campaigns.
7. Changes which have happened since the creation of the guide

EVL gives out 1000 happy on average once every 7 days. (Now reduced to 3 days)

SLAG gives out a business card on average once every 90 days. (Now reduced to 14 days)
*thanks to mud for bringing this to my attention

all dividend stocks confirmed to give on average 20% of their original value in terms of APR - thanks to bogie.

FHC has become FHG (corp became group)

added new link to payout calculator: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AV9FshkltK9vd9rbnjCs1yTaXRn8LzybAefjNlbMXM4/edit?usp=sharing

Updated clarification on NPC buying habits in the introduction.

updated benefits

Npc stock · · 23 likes


I made a thread a out this but the problem remains and issue needs to be addressed.

Ched there is a huge issue with no cooldowns to NPC adding shares after a stock has been 0d - you have an npc which has nearly doubled the market cap of tcb in under a month. The fact I'm making this bug report is due to the NPC adding shares within hours of it being 0d. It's illogical for the NPC to do this, at current rate were going to see 100 billion shares of tcb on the market by 2018.



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100m giveaway #2 · · 13 likes


you suck.

Noobs And Blacklists · · 14 likes


"Dekloren - Your enemies are legit" - this was more funny than it should have been.

Recent archived posts

Shoutout to fake SA · · 8 likes


Jokes aside SA are a good faction, all it really is showing is that the old timers have a lot to work on, not just SA, best to identify what needs worked on while we only have this warring system and improve and get ready when the good warring system comes

Dek and one other hit me a few times during it, have to say it's rare to be hit out of the blue, made the game oddly more exciting than logging in, train, log off.


A.I. predicts end of time · · 3 likes


Thankfully AI tech is at the stage it might as well be as useful as a 2-month-old child.

DUDE vs JFK ( breaker of faction chains) ·


worst part is i didn't even write the script that a few people are upset about =[

DUDE vs JFK ( breaker of faction chains) ·


Can only hope competitive warring helps and changes that :)

Ancient Faction History ·


Was Cindy old TuS too?

Ancient Faction History · · 1 like


"edit: that being said i'm sure JFK is a product of at least 1 merge (VV), 2.1 absorbed TuS however we have ex (old?) TuS members who are in JFK main so I don't know how i'd describe that."

Ancient Faction History · · 1 like


Deft made a good post regarding JFAs history, I think i remember Z_jr making one about JFKs history - would be nice if they'd throw a comment in though at the same time seems this gets asked once a year and we all seem to forget haha



edit: that being said i'm sure JFK is a product of at least 1 merge (VV), 2.1 absorbed TuS however we have ex (old?) TuS members who are in JFK main so I don't know how i'd describe that.

Generally merges are bad in my opinion however they seem to be needed - as factions get older the activity from all members tend to lower. A merge generally gives a faction new life by getting the best of two factions and dropping off the worst of two factions, there are a lot of issues which come with it but that pro (new life) is a massively important thing.

joking aside the merge with MM and FTW is a great thing for both sides, they'll be much stronger for it.



Similar to why DA absorbed a lot of EVO, MnC absorbing a lot of old HT and so on.

I guess you could look at some of these "absorbing's" as unofficial merges.

Forged Memento · · 2 likes


Would agree with this, a name is just a name - it's the people who give it meaning



Hopefully, this merge goes well and when competitive warring comes we'll have another strong faction to compete with

Things Global would never say · · 8 likes


"I hope everyone is doing well and having a pleasant day"

[Lvl 100 guide] - Updated 25/8/18 ·


if i'm honest i'm partly surprised I wasn't on the list given some of them seemed pretty strong but great list, rate+

(i actually rated KK up, wild year)

Forged Memento · · 3 likes


Best of luck to both sides, I do hope it goes well for you both.

No more card counting on BJ? ·


Amazing.

No more card counting on BJ? · · 1 like


I agree, although mug is very anti me for my use of the stock script (And not others it seems) I would prefer it was made against the rules but I've made ched aware of such tools and there isn't much more I can do.



If 100+ use a tool you fall behind by Not, doctorn being an example, those who use it in general are at an advantage to those who don't.

Only ched can really deal with this issue.

No more card counting on BJ? · · 2 likes


And you've ignored the point a second time - anyone who uses it is a scum bag but being selective on who you mention is a special talent.


No more card counting on BJ? ·


But it's totally fine when it's others in JFA doing it, lul




Stock length ·


when you stack two groups of shares it resets the length (how long you've owned the shares for) - due to length being a huge part of what makes the NPC buy your shares this should really be changed to the "newest" purchased one, not a simple reset to 0.

No more card counting on BJ? · · 1 like


A select handful making billions in profit who have "histories"



Shocking.

New unique company through Auction ·


I'm personally against the idea - items or such give so very like advantage in fine with but a unique company other than taking huge amounts of dev time would be incredibly broken I imagine given how cools generally pool their income from 1 source

No more card counting on BJ? · · 1 like


It's removed 2Trillion in total, the thing is if you remove 2 trillion over 10,000+ accounts t's not that much of a removal - at the top end over 1T was added which was later used in stock and other areas to produce more profit.

The change has been made, those at the stop wont keep playing and the amount removed will only grow now.



I rather 10 trillion removed vs 2 trillion.

No more card counting on BJ? · · 3 likes


So going with my talk with 2 members of relentless I should make this clear, I don't believe, at least speaking for myself, that anyone has broken rules.

My annoyance is with ched, not with anyone else - this was a known issue for some time, a money maker which is consistent from the casino? it was ofc an issue, this isn't a comparison between the real world and torn - the casino serves one job in torn, to remove money from the game and evidently it was failing at the high end, it's also what i imagine led to this change.

No i don't think anyone has been "cheating", not i don't think money should be removed from people and no I don't think making bots to analyze % chance of probability should be made illegal. However I do believe ched should have acted much sooner and because he didn't the economy is paying for it.