Born Fighting, 39th and Wolf Pack argue over a faction war and emptied factions
In January 2015 YNMK started a thread mocking Wolf Pack: Next Generation over a war with Born Fighting. Naako and Tezwar replied that Born Fighting had farmed them and brought in 39th.
Involved: YNMK [1877410] , Naako [482424] , Tezwar [1034523] , mug [553318] Committee , rapid_riser [262223] and 1 more
A thread titled Sheep Pack
On 08 Jan 2015 YNMK [1877410] started a thread called "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" in Faction Discussion. It renamed Wolf Pack: Next Generation (WPNG) as a joke and accused it of dirty tricks in a war.[1][2]
The thread ran to 270 replies from 66 players, with a last post on 16 Oct 2016.[1]
Two versions of the war
YNMK said WPNG was declared on by Born Fighting, brought in members from the main faction, and got the war to almost 80% in its favour. YNMK said Born Fighting then took help from 39th and 39th X and raised the war to 75%+ in 36 hours of chaining. Participant claim[2]
YNMK said the leader then kicked all members except the co-leader, and that members now join, hit Born Fighting and leave. YNMK called this a dirty trick. Allegation[2]
Naako [482424] replied that Born Fighting had been declaring on WPNG every 30 days to farm respect. Naako said 39th grew to 100 members in Born Fighting, so WPNG took a stand, and that both sides used underhanded tactics. Allegation[3]
Tezwar [1034523] said Born Fighting declares on factions as filler and then parachutes in 39th. Tezwar said WP and WPNG are the same group of people, and put the numbers at approx WP 54 against BF 70 before 39th arrived, then 100 against 54. Allegation[4]
Replies
RowdyRedneck [995650] said the members of WPNG only beat each other off and should find another faction. The post got 22 likes.[5]
Nukem [1063346] asked whether Tezwar's point that WP and WPNG are one group also applied to Born Fighting and 39th.[6]
Scott [227119] said factions had used this tactic for ages, naming mmcp, wp and th. D4N [243458] said it looked like a strategy to beat bigger factions.[7][8]
Majsan [843586] said the game needs rules on this and compared it to a football match. Para [1455847] said Ched had not stopped the tactic of emptying a faction.[9][10]
mug [553318], a Torn officer/committee member, wrote that 100 members was already too many, that many factions have 200 to 300 or more, and that it was safe to assume 90% of the warring player base are in top factions and their sub factions.[11]
Later posts
On 13 Jan 2015 rapid_riser [262223] posted a message dated 13/01/15 saying the faction could now claim victory over WolfPack. Participant claim[12]
On 10 Feb 2015 mug linked the thread in "Casus Belli, is it still done?", saying it had been over for a long time. mug suggested reading only rapid_riser's and Tezwar's posts to see each side.[13]
Timeline
Original sources 13
- Thread "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" (Faction Discussion) ·
- Post by YNMK [1877410] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Naako [482424] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Tezwar [1034523] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by RowdyRedneck [995650] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Nukem [1063346] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Scott [227119] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by D4N [243458] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Majsan [843586] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by Para [1455847] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by mug [553318] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by rapid_riser [262223] in "Sheep Pack: Now Generation-less" ·
- Post by mug [553318] in "Casus Belli, is it still done?" ·
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