SA against PT and Wolfpack: a 2-on-1 war and the row over bounties
In February 2015 SA fought PT and Wolfpack in a war with lopsided terms. The forum thread turned into an argument over bountied revivers and who was taking the loss badly.
Involved: 007 [370359] , Ali [1445620] , Myhedin [1348461] , mug [553318] Committee , Untouchable [1360035] Committee and 7 more
A war with unusual terms
Ali [1445620] opened the thread "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" on 12 Feb 2015. It announced a war for Feb 21st at 2pm TC time, with PT and Wolfpack on one side and SA on the other.[1][2]
The stated terms gave PT and Wolfpack 5 guests each. SA was to have no guests but could bring in members from its second faction. There were no weapon terms.[1]
The thread ran to 353 replies from 102 different players. Its last post was on 06 Nov 2016.[2]
The war and the bounty complaints
Penicillin [1517799], listed as Torn officer/committee, posted twice before the war, on 14 Feb 2015 and 18 Feb 2015. The first post called it an "Interesting fight". The second called it an "Interesting concept for a war".[3][4]
On 21 Feb 2015 Untouchable [1360035], listed as Torn officer/committee, posted a hospital log line stamped 2015/02/21 2:00:18 PM. They wrote that they "literally lasted 18 seconds". Participant claim[5]
Para [1455847] wrote on 21 Feb 2015 that the bounty page "says it all" about the tactics. Para alleged dirty tactics and said they had heard that a load of SA members were hospitalized at rehab before the war started, by factions not taking part in the war. Allegation[6]
Ali alleged that Myhedin [1348461] and a few others placed most of the bounties on SA's revivers, making revives impossible. Ali called this a dirty tactic and poor sportsmanship. Ali also said no one from SA had bountied WP or PT revivers. Allegation[7][8]
Myhedin replied that they had bountied SA's revivers and did not care. They called it a fair tactic and said WP and MnC were long-time allies. They said boostweed had asked them about guesting. Participant claim[9]
Ali claimed that WP advertised for more revivers a couple of hours in and poached a few of SA's. Allegation[10]
SA's account
007 [370359] wrote on 23 Feb 2015 that SA had not planned to focus on one faction and had agreed tough terms. They said SA performed poorly in the first 4 hours and underestimated the number of revivers, so they changed the focus to PT. Participant claim[11]
007 also wrote that they thought PT got to about 90% and that SA was on the ropes. They congratulated WP on a win they called well deserved. Participant claim[11]
On 22 Feb 2015 007 wrote that WP and PT had more revivers, that their tactics had worked well, and that SA would adapt. Participant claim[12]
Insults and sportsmanship
On 21 Feb 2015 Ali wrote "Not whining just calling you out on your BS" and called WP "a big bunch of pansies". The same day -Clansdancer [65306] wrote: "You are a bunch of whingey bastards arnt ya?"[13][14]
Myhedin told Ali to change their name to "Queen_of_whining" and said "I call it warfare strategy". Ali called Myhedin a "numbskull" and told them to "GROW the f**k UP".[8][10][15]
animelive [1564720] wrote that SA members were "taking this loss in a mature way", a sarcastic remark. Joke[16]
Bezee [1685702] wrote to an unnamed poster that they had been "crying hard, calling names" when WP beat them. Bezee ended with "Nice Comeback SA! Go PT!!" Allegation[17]
mug [553318], listed as Torn officer/committee, told Ali to rethink the terms in the next war. They wrote that the sole bad sportsmanship was coming from Ali.[18]
Midknight [332505] called it a great overall war from all three parties. They said the guests were tough at times but the regular PT roster did a lot of damage. Participant claim[19]
A later reference
On 10 Apr 2015 Bezee linked this thread in "MnC vs SA :: Tactical Sneak Attack". They wrote that it showed what SA looks like when they lose, and mentioned SA winning a war 2 weeks earlier.[20][21]
Timeline
- 12 Feb 2015 Ali [1445620] opens the thread announcing the 2-on-1 war for Feb 21st.[1]
- 21 Feb 2015 Untouchable [1360035] posts a hospital log line stamped 2:00:18 PM. Participant claim[5]
- 22 Feb 2015 Ali and Myhedin [1348461] argue over bounties on revivers. mug [553318] sides against Ali.[8][9][18]
- 23 Feb 2015 007 [370359] posts an account of SA's strategy and congratulates WP. Participant claim[11]
- 10 Apr 2015 Bezee [1685702] links the thread from the MnC vs SA thread.[20]
Original sources 21
- Post by Ali [1445620] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Thread "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" (Faction Discussion) ·
- Post by Penicillin [1517799] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Penicillin [1517799] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Untouchable [1360035] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Para [1455847] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Ali [1445620] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Ali [1445620] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Myhedin [1348461] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Ali [1445620] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by 007 [370359] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by 007 [370359] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Ali [1445620] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by -Clansdancer [65306] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Myhedin [1348461] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by animelive [1564720] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Bezee [1685702] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by mug [553318] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Midknight [332505] in "2 vs 1: SA vs PT and WP" ·
- Post by Bezee [1685702] in "MnC vs SA :: Tactical Sneak Attack" ·
- Thread "MnC vs SA :: Tactical Sneak Attack" (Graveyard) ·
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