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Is abusing negative money on hand a fair mechanic?

Started by Fishyfox [2010062] on in General Discussion.

301 replies · 3.74k views · thread synced · 3 days ago · View on torn.com

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FirstL15ht [2342206]

My simple logic is, as an example, $-3.2B < $-3B by $200M; hence the transaction is more "profitable".  In other words, the player is less in debt compared to if they sell the item for near market price.  If the remaining debt was later removed/cleared, the transaction itself is still profitable (at the time it's executed) but the overall impact to the player is nil. 

 

I should mention that putting an item to sell above market price doesn't make it profitable unless someone is willing to buy it at the list price.  Buyers are not obligated to accept the price sellers asked so there's nothing wrong to list items at $20-30M above market value.  Each player has total and complete autonomy and agency to NOT click the buy button and if they do, they voluntarily agree to pay the price sellers asked.  It's how a free economy works after all.

Anton [422812]

I can't tell if the community here are trolls or stupid. I'm leaning towards the latter, but it is painful to see we play the same game

Candymonster [1632600]

You having negative cash on hand doesn't mean you can't sell items. 

 

If what he did was against the rules, he would be fed. 

 

Don't bring up dragon situation because no one knows that person's situation.Only staff does

Overseer [2143302]

You are retarded if you cant see the point im trying to make and Im not going to attempt to explain it to you any further.

 

I dont give a flying f**k about fishyfox and in fact have a relatively negative opinion of them; Neither do I rely on mugging as an income or have anything against mugging, as I reside in a faction that prides themselves on it, so? 

What I do have strong feelings about is cheating, and the most common instance for someone having negative money is after cheating. f**k those guys, they dont deserve to have an easy way out. If you disagree, I share the same sentiment towards you. 

Overseer [2143302]

They cancelled the game due to how f**ked the odds were on the bookie side or something to that effect in this case. I just used it to explain it in my post

Mercenary [1993692]

cant buy mug when you have no money to steal from in the first place!

thats why i walk around with a negative balance on my debit card and wallet, cant steal from me if i owe money!

Thesaurus_Rex [3812395]

I don't follow your logic on that.

 

If I suddenly had 3bn in gambling winnings, I might buy a ton of SEs to flip.  That alone doesn't imply foresight.

 

As for posting them above market, why would he be inclined to post them for less in a situation where he can't 'lose' on a mug?  That's just cash on the table.  If one wishes to make the argument that was the nefarious act in this scenario, then fine?  I guess?  (seems so niche that even devs posting in here don't see it worth putting up guardrails over)

 

But I still don't see how one could intentionally manipulate the system into having bookie earnings reversed.  And then use that in some kind of strategy to make money from *checks notes* being mugged.

 

(You keep bringing up that they've done this before?  Is this sort of reversal on payment frequent in the bookie betting space?  I will freely admit I am not intimately familiar with the feature.)

Jtester [2477772]

But you just told me to shut my ass up and leave? Now you want me to stay? 

I don’t even think you know what you want from me

ARMENIA4EVER [1955095]

I didnt even know you could go negative money wise - besides loans through Duke apparently.    What am I missing? I'd love to try my hand at having a negative balance while selling some high ticket items.